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Posted by Tikay10
By 9.30pm, so I had a beer and as a change late regged the 9.30 B/H and quickly got 2 heads, but then equally quickly bust :-).
And yeah, I managed 1,500 quite comfortably.
Oddly, traffic was wafer thin last night in our games, & I was playing like a complete idiot, I just could not get focussed at all, & no big games ran, so once I passed 1,500, I drew stumps & watched the NFL. Mr Channing had lined up 4 bets, & I had a small wager on all 4. (As singles, I never do dubs, trebs or accas) & all 4 won. (1 on Thursday, 3 last night). God bless Ambo.
Returning to the theme of variance.
As I mentioned, I knocked it in terribly on Thursday, then had maybe my best night ever on Friday.
Saturday? Unbelievable, Jeff.....
£2.25, P6, W3, L3
£3.30, P18, W12, L6
£5.50, P13, W10, L3
£11 P5, W5, L0
£16.50, P3, W2, L1
Total profit? £95.10
BOOMIO
Those £11 & £16.50ers make all the difference.
For balance, the whole week follows, as I lost most other nights. Marv.
Monday - £9.40 LOSS
Wednesday - £35.60 LOSS
Thursday - £46.95 LOSS
Friday - £81.40 PROFIT
Saturday - £95.10 PROFIT
Sunday - £11.95 LOSS
Add in £22.53 in Rewards money, & £25 from the Sky Poker Premiership, & it comes to around £120 profit on the week. Happy with that, very happy. If Only I could find a way to cut out those bad nights, I'd be well minted.
Just noticed I lost 4 nights out of 6, & still made money. What a thing variance is, eh?
Much less volume this week. Might not be able to play on Wednesday, gotta go up to the office, eek. And I've got company on Friday & Saturday.
So the aim will be to somehow struggle over the 500 points threshold, & try not t lose money along the way.
See you all tonight.
See you later Mr AggroPLO8er
I may have a bash a few nights on Sky Poker when things are quiet in the DYM's though. I know folks chunter about the rake, but it does not bother me overly. I just find it hard to "mix" cash & DYM's at the same time.
Why? Reprophil has just got super lucky on the river, having clearly deciding he's going with his set of fours (questionable.)The chances of our boat (or in this case boats) being behind, is very slim indeed.
I do find the whole variance thing interesting. Can effect even great players so massively. Have seen some horrific stories/graphs on 2+2 etc
MTT variance, especially on big field sites is massively different to DYMs. With MTTs its all about closing when deep and deep runs on large field sites wont be happening all the time. When you do win an MTT, its a massive ROI compared to DYMs so that can make up for lots of losing days thus Moorman, the MTT online God can lose 4/5!. DYMs are not my area of expertise so no idea on swings in them, be interesting to know how many winning days out of 100 a DYM reg would expect.... and I mean a normal reg, not Timmy who last had a losing day in 2009.
Part of the problem is not all flips are equal....you lose a flip early in a small buy in comp, you listen to Taylor Swift and life is fine. If you are Fedor you flop quads in your QQ v AK flip when on the final table of a $102k buy in comp! When you play different stakes variance can effect results so much as shown by Tikay's stats. Run good in bigger games and life is brilliant. Run bad in the big games and you cant link the bottom line with how well you have played.
The key is to keep up your A Game. I loved the post by nickkay where he didn't blame variance, blamed his play BUT worked at it.
I was asked the other day about how many losing sessions I would have out of 100. I actually had no idea and I think that's pretty good to not know as it stops short term thinking. One session really doesn't matter especially as it could be a 4 game session or a 60MTT massive grind. I had to use scope to get an answer and it was 225 active days this year and 109 winning days. Mainly this shows I should get out more. Apart from that does show that you cant win every day but doesnt mean you wont win overall.
Part of the issue with variance is we are not using the great guidance we have been given. "Poker is a never ending game" It doesn't matter if we lose one hand, one game, a night or even a month. Key bit is our decision making. If we can go into robot mode and focus on that we are all good. Very much easier said that done and we all get annoyed when you are on the end of a 2 outer but remember it is always deserved when we hit it!
Grown ups only on this thread.
DYM's are extremely low variance (50% get paid) & O8 is, I suspect, the lowest variance game there is.
So really, if we are half competent, we should not really have many losing days. And there's the puzzle, because I have more losing days than I think I should. Which suggests I'm not good enough, or am not always playing to the best of my ability.
It's quite an easy one to explain actually. Quad Fours man played 2 PLO8 DYM's, & never folded a single hand pre-flop in either. He literally limped into EVERY pot, & if it was raised up, he called that, too.
Thanks to his one outer, he won the first at £3.30, & then limp-itis caught up with him in the next, which was a fiver affair.
The hand in question was pretty unusual - all three players flopped a set, so he's never folding there, & he hit his one outer.
And in the remote chance that quad fours man is reading this, here's a bit of free advice. No poker player, in the history of poker, ever ever ever, can make a long term profit if they limp into every hand. It might be fun, yes, but it'll cost you money - a lot of it.
When we see players limp into every hand - & two regulars O8 come to mind - what they are really doing is playing Bingo, not Poker. The Blind we pay every hand to see a flop is effectively the cost of buying a Bingo Card for one hand. And if our number gets called out (one or more of our cards hits the board) we win, & if it does not, we lose.
If that's what they want to do, fine, but a visit to Sky Bingo would be more cost effective.
I do keep looking at NLH DYM's, so as I can increase my point earning capacity, but every time I look the games are full of guys like Timmy, Nutter, JMCririck etc. No point me taking them boys on. Years ago I mixed it in NLH DYM's with the likes of Nutter & JingleMa, & they took all my money, the pesky kids. If only I could find a table full of Grumpy Jac's & Percy Porkers I'd be in like a shot. As Mr Channing wrote yesterday....
".....I also know that if you can find 6 people that are way worse than you and get them to play every day you can make a good living...it's just getting a bit harder to find them now."
Agree, my "roll" is way too big for the stakes I play, but if I wthdraw it, I'll fritter it away on something daft. It's sort of emergency rainy day money really, always there if I need it.
I had planned to invest it in the $3,000 WSOP PLO8, & might have done so this Summer, but I ran a bit hot all Vegas so was able to buy into it from Vegas profits (with the help of my little team of stakers). Maybe there will be a $5,000 version next year, & I'll use it for that.
Have to say, playing WSOP events in Vegas is the best thing ever (in poker), & I abso love it.
The $3,000 WSOP PLO8 is the biggest Live PLO8 event in the world - I can't begin to tell you what a thrill it is to play it, & pit your wits against the best. Be even better if a few of our regulars here made it to Vegas next year & we could all be a sort of be a little collective.
Daydreaming is great, eh?
Favourite character I've played against? So many, I'd be here all day. Two for starters.....
Jeff Duvall.
Love him to bits, & a tremendous PLO & PLO8 player by any standards. He is a genuine character in every way. He sort of sits on the line between legal stuff & illegal stuff. Right on the line, maybe strays a bit either side at times..... If he ever writes an Autobio, it'd be just superb. Mention him to Mr Channing & he'll tell you a lot more about Jeff than I ever could. I was fortunate to share several tables with Jeff in 4 or 5 different Vegas events this year, including 3 WSOP Events. Best thing ever.
David Levi
I was not familiar with this chap until this Summer in Vegas. (Look him up on THM, he has quite a record).
First up this guy was a paratrooper in the Isreali Army. = don't mess with him.
Channing sort of looks after me in Vegas, pops along to my rail, susses the table, & marks my card as to who is handy, who I need to avoid, who is tight, da de da. When he saw David at my table, he rushed across & he & David were hugging & shaking hands. Seems they have known each other for a very long time, & in fact Channing staked David in WSOP events for a few years.
Once David knew that Channing & I were mates, he sort of gave me an easy ride. He could so easily have busted me when I raise with obvious Aces & the flop came K-10-10. He had flopped the boat. But he bet out, instead of letting me hang myself, & his speech play suggested to me I had best fold. Then he showed me the flopped boat.
Meanwhile, he got into a verbal war with Richard Ashby who was 2 to my left. Richard is definitely NOT a good "talker", in fact he rarely talks. Richard & David were sort of going at it a bit, both verbally & in hands. David sort of sent Richard a barbed comment - just to unsettle him - & Richard made the mistake of suggesting David needed to show "a bit more heart".
Well some understanding of human psychology is needed here. David is Jewish, & an ex paratrooper. Suggesting he needed to show some heart was, arguably, not wise.
So David fought back & ran an all street bluff against Richard for his entire stack. Get it wrong & he'd not only be out, but he'd look pretty daft. Remember, this was not a random tenner rebuy, this was a $3,000 WSOP PLO8 affair. He then claimed (but never showed) it was a complete airball. We shall never know.....
It was utterly fascinating to watch, & I ended up liking David very much.
I could write a "favourite character" every day if I put my mind to it. So many of them. I could write a book on this years Vegas trip alone in fact. Whether it'd interest anyone is another matter altogether....
No idea when but yes, it'll happen I guess. Maybe when Sky Poker send me the "Dear Tony, it's been most enjoyable working with you, but....."
It's all or nothing with me. I had a 10 year snooker phase, played almost every single night.
Next was Golf, played 6 rounds a week for 5 years, joined a club as a newbie & was Captain within 4 years. Then poker came along, & much as I miss Golf terribly, I've not played a round since. Think my eyes are too bad to even contemplate golf now, & I have no hand-eye co-ordination any more, either.
So yes, it'll probably happen at some stage. It's perfect right now, & it helps me with my job to see what's what with the players & the software. I live alone, & see Gill at weekends twice a month, & I'm not one to sit & watch telly all night. So it's just the job right now.
I also have a theory that our minds become less agile & we lose our mental dexterity with age, especially if we allow ourselves to. Playing 6 tables of O8 really makes me use my mind, sort of helps keep it fit. That's my theory, anyway....
Fishing might just be my next obsession. That'd be great, the solitude, the peace & quiet, & not having to talk to anyone or hear all the chuffing moans & groans. Lovely.
Not as we have traditionally known it, though.
It will become much more recreational, much more fun. People WQNT to have fun. I'm full of admiration for the Patrick Leonard's of this world, but soon they will have sucked all the money out of the poker economy.
Meanwhile, the fun aspect will increase, stuff like Spin Ups & turbo MTT's etc.
Poker won't be going away anytime soon, trust me. Most sites have already disappeared, & some others will do so soon. Look at, say, Ladbrokes for starters, or Betfair. Both used to be huge, now both dead.
Sky Poker have got it right - appeal to the recreationals. They won't be going away ever.