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The answer, oddly, is the same. I still enjoy, & am reasonably proficient, at PLH, but I'm history @ NLH.
I enjoyed my biggest successes as a Pro - sorry, lolpro - in PLH Events.
Last time I played it live, it was an embarrassment, with a table full of players who could not work out what a pot-sized bet amounted to. "How much is it to bet the pot?" was all I heard all evening, bless. I explained to one that a pot bet in an unopened pot was 3.5 times the BB, or 7 x SB, but he could not even work that out. And when I told him he did not HAVE to bet the full pot, he looked at me gone out.
The thing is, Online poker does all this stuff for us, it's like the tills in Tesco which calculate the change you are due mean that the checkout staff no longer know how much change you are due from a tenner for a £7.38 bill without the help of an electronic aid.
I think, as you describe it, "basic DYM strategy" is more than half the battle in these things. I almost think I could cut it in NLH DYM's, actually, though I just prefer PL by a country mile. I did try NLH DYM's 4 or 5 years ago, & I'm still paying the bill, so maybe not.....
Lol, I saw you had regged & un-regged for one in which just the argonaut & myself were in, but I don't think in a DYM you should be bothered about one player, 3 pay spots are up for grabs. He is certainly good, though, VERY good.
Tonight's Super-Roller? Probably not, so stop tempting me please! I promised myself that I'd play a little cash yesterday, often a graveyard for me, & if I won £100, I'd play tonight's Super Roller. I won precisely £4.75 on the Cash Table.....
Good luck today, whatever you play, & I'll keep an eye on the Super Roller Leaderboard to see if you can crush.
Saturday 23rd November
Played 23
Won14
Lost 9
Split....
£2.25 - Played 0, won 0, Lost 0
£5.50 - Played 16, won 8, lost 8
£11.00 - Played 7, won 6, Lost 1
PROFIT/LOSS on Day £39.75
REWARD POINTS = 198
BANKROLL at close of Play = £452.89
REWARD POINTS at close of play = 2,914
November so far.....
Played 427
Won 251
Lost 176
Win-rate, November, 58.78%
Very topsy-turvy day yesterday, but it all ended surprisingly well eventually.
Note that the profit & Reward Points includes a small contribution from a short PLO8 cash session whilst I was awaiting some DYM action, & that profit came to £4.75 (oooh!) plus 48 Reward Points. 20 minutes of cash yielded as many Reward Points as 10 x £5.50 DYM's!
Now, back to basics.
Lost 6 of the first 7 played, all @ £5.50, so the eventual £5.50 tally of W8, L8 was quite a stunning reversal of form.
The £11-ers were not too frequent yesterday, just 7 of them, & I lost the very first, but then won the next 6 for a pleasing W6, L1 count.
I tweaked a few things yesterday, & think they worked, but I ran so good in some spots it is hard to tell. In one £11er, I raised 7 straight hands on one ocasion, the quality of hands I was geting was almost embarrassing. I often - very often - play less than 7 hands in an entire DYM! I was just getting lovely cards. Need to remember this on the "dry" sessions.
Was getting a bit of noise, & stick, in the chat-boxes over the new software, which I thought was a tad unfair on a Saturday, in my R & R time, but to be fair, I guess it comes with the job, & I should not feel bad about it, all things considered. It's just a bit tough to have a meaningful chat or debate with someone whilst 3 & 4 Tabling, or it is for me. One chap suggested that the new Tables give him a headache after "4 or 5 hours". I wisely avoided the temptation to make any number of very obvious replies.
So, the yoyo-ing in the £400's continues, & we are back above £450 for only the 2nd time I think. Began the month @ £215, so very pleased with that.
My Reward Points for November now near 3,000 (currently 2,914 worth £29.14), but at 3,000, they suddenly become worth 50% more. On a starting roll of £200, & a current roll of £450+, that is a very meaningful amount. I'd really love to get to £500 (including Reward Points) by the end of the month. Cue the inevitable downswing......
Enjoy your Sunday, whatever your plans, & good luck especially to SUPER ROLLER & UKPC Final aspirants.
Sadly (for me), no, I think NLH will remain the game for the masses, despite it being very obvious that it is getting harder & harder to win, & almost nobody has much of an an edge.
The WSOP used to be Stud until quite recently, but it was only when it bacame NLH, a game almost anyone can play, that the huge burst of popularity began the poker boom as we know it, just 10 years ago. My, that 10 years has flown.
But now saturation point has been reached, there are other angles & niches to exploit & discover, & I have a few plans in mind (personal,) as to how poker can still be taken to a lot more new faces. This is key - new blood.
Enjoying the game & making money? Never enjoyed it so much, ever, am having a ball. My current poker world revolves around the WSOP PLO8 Events - best fun I have EVER had at poker & I am busting a gut to find a way to do them again - & enjoying myself quietly each evening playing these fun DYM's. Oh, & the UKPC, of course, where things are happening every single day, including some stunningly good news yesterday, though it involved dozens of phone calls & convos. Worth it though.
It is, for me, such a lovely escape from the pressures, hassles & moany-moany stuff that seem to accompany my life these days. I register for a few Tables, & it just relaxes me completely for a few hours.
Have a good Sunday, Paul.
Sunday 24th November
Played 25
Won16
Lost 9
Split....
£2.25 - Played 0, won 0, Lost 0
£5.50 - Played 19, won 12, lost 7
£11.00 - Played 6, won 4, Lost 2
PROFIT/LOSS on Day £29.50
REWARD POINTS = 155
BANKROLL at close of Play = £482.39
REWARD POINTS at close of play = 3,069
November so far.....
Played 452
Won 267
Lost 185
Win-rate, November, 59.07%
Steady session yesterday, always nicely ahead of the count, so never under pressure.
Not many £11 games going, but with the Cash Promo ongoing, plus the Super Roller & UKPC things, the DYM traffic was bound to be a little quieter than usual.
For purely psychological, or "mind game" reasons, I break my games into batches of 5, "sets" if you like, each with 5 "legs", & I try to win each set.
I won 4 of the 5 sets yesterday, 4-1, 4-1, 3-2, & 4-1.
The fifth set, which was the third of the 5 that I played (games 11 - 15 inclusive) ....ugh, I lost that 4-1, including an £11-er. If I could just cut those bad periods out, it'd make such a difference.
Been an odd week, last Sunday I reached my peak of £478, only to give £60 back the next day, then spent all week treading water. This weekend was perfect, then, as I made a profit of a shade under £70 on Saturday & Sunday combined, so am at £482, which is the all-time high under this Challenge. If history repeats itself, I'll give £60 back today. Help yourself guys, help yourself.....
A nice little threshold was breached yesterday when I exceeded 3,000 Reward Points for the month to date, so my rate increased by 50%. What was £30 yesterday, is £45 today. How neat is that? Even Paul Daniels could not work magic like that. Asumionmg I get to, say, £509 in Reward Points money by the end of the month, that does not go in November's money, that's a sort of bonus in December. (October's was included in November - prudency ftw). £50 might not sound much, but as a % of the original £200, or even the current £482, that is a BIG %. My Dad used to save "Kensitas" Cigarette coupons, & as a young man, I was into Green Shield Stamps. No accounting for the human mind, eh?
Some interesting visitors yesterday, Chicknmelt is becoming a proper regular, & I had a really lovely convo with Ice_Tiger, who seems a splendid individual, & very gracious.
A good day then, but will it be the Monday downswing today?......
Some interesting folds yesterday. This is not to chirp, but for those new to PLO8, especially migrants from NLH, you MUST learn to do these things, as alien as it may seem.
Early Levels, all limp to my BB, I idly click "Check", I have no interest with my hand, & if in the Small, I'd have folded. I had 7-7-8-8, no suits. It is hard to imagine ANY worse PLO8 hand. 7's & 8's are KILLER cards, & we should generally bin hands which contain combos of them.
Flop was 4-5-6, two hearts, so I have flopped the absolute nut high, & I have double blockers, too.
But....I just cannot improve, & my hand is incredibly vulnerable.
I don't have a (realistic) low, & I don't have hearts. 5 people are queued up behind me. It's an instant check-fold, even to a small bet. If we get VERY lucky, we might get half. Forget it, I'm not a buyer.
Later, I was in a very aggressive mode, & one or two were playing back at me. As a general rule, there are some hands I will never fold pre-flop, in "normal" situations. Re-Raise me & I'll re-raise back. See a flop, & if first to bet, I'll bet, or if checked to me, in it goes.
But this was MOTHER......and MOTHER always has the goods.
My hand? K-K-10-8, double suited. Straight in the muck, & MOTHER had dem Aces. She had A-A-10-10 in fact, so I was as crushed as a crushed thing.
Most enjoyable, or satisfying game, was Game #2, just after I started. I can't recall how it happened, but I got coolered in Orbit 2 of Level one, & was left with.....235 chips, ugh.
People panic in these spots, but I still have 12 Bigs, & 12 Bigs in PLO8 is HUGE. No, it really is VERY playable. Anyway, I ran good, found the right hands, callers, & Boards, at the right time, & ended up winning it. Wiiiii! That felt good.
Mr Angry (Junior) visited us for a while. "I only play great hands" he says, as he busts 2 players, AIPF (!) with the exotic Q-10-8-8 (what?!). But then he took a tumble or two, & exited in high dudgeon, & we all got a bit of abuse, especially me. I'll not expect a Crimble Card from him.
I have a peculiar weakness - well several, actually - but specifically, I'f I'm nicely ahead on the day, I'll happily quit late evening, rather than risk my profit, but if I'm behind, I tend to chase.
Daft really, it's a numbers game. If I can win 60% of those I play (still to be proved, sample size etc) then the more I play the better, I should just play as many as I can.
I did share some Tables with you yesterday, & you seem to have grasped it really well, especially as to THE most important part - DYM strategy. VERY different to MTT or cash strategy.
40 out of 50 DYM's, 80%? Incred! Needs some serious run-good, but he must have a very good game, even so. Think we used to have a chap here, Irish Rover, who used to knock up some eye-watering runs in DYM's.
I rarely get above 6 or 7, lol, but even at that number, I definitely feel the pressure, which changes my game.
I've often had 6 straight losses, too....say no more.
Yes, definitely, if I were a Pro, my views would change, that's natural. But if I were a Pro, & I was not enjoying the beats & downswings ("enjoying" is the wrong word, but you get my drift) I'd snap quit. I've worked non-stop, bar a short break, for over 40 years, but I'd not stay in a job I did not enjoy. Of course we all have bad days at the Office, be daft to say otherwise, but you have to love your job, or life would be very tiresome.
I am associated with another poker forum, which has all the Big Boys & High Rollers on it. Monday morning, after the Sunday "grind" (how I LOATHE that word in the poker context!), you would not believe all the angst, "ffs", "I HATE POKER", "I was so unlucky", "how could the idiot call?" sorta stuff, it is a sickening thing to see & read. Ugh. Some of these lads need a serious slap, the real world is out there & it is a tough gig for many people. Watch some Documentaries on how the other half live. Jeez, we are so blessed in Europe.
You can't get used to the new software? Please try, I know it takes a while, & there are bound tio be a few souls overboard in unsettled seas, but the reality is.....they can't & won't revert to the old, no way. They may try to find some halfway house sort of thing, but it'll mainly be based on the new software. You just can't run an unlimited number of old systems & maintain them all, it just won't work. Imagine 10 years from now, they'd have to maintain & tweak 4 or 5 different platforms!
I had a bit of a struggle at first, I'm very methodical with how I "organise" my 4 or 5 tables on my screen (lol, I'm old, leave me alone), but I've sussed it now, & it's much much better overall. Much faster, too, or it seems so to me, which helps a lot. There are still a few tweaks needed, but nothing 10 minutes with a big hammer won't fix.
Hang in there, we need you!
and there is nothing wrong with that imho
which leads me on to my favourite anecdote on the topic
Eamon Holmes on breakfast tv said of the pop star Rihanna
a nice singer but if she was his daughter he would give her a good slap
oops
the next news story about her was that her boyfriend at the time had done just that
I do have these odd days when I'm uncontrollably cheerful. I'll seek help.
Hi guys,
Thanks for the feedback & questions, will reply tomorrow, been a bit waylaid today, just back from a lonnnnnng drive up to Leeds & back.
Will also Update Mondays numbers & results, nothing spectacular (except the sheer volume of traffic, especially @ £11), & the results were sort of usual schmusual.
Off to get some PLO8 DYM's in now, all are welcome!
Monday 25th November
Played 25
Won13
Lost 12
Split....
£2.25 - Played 0, won 0, Lost 0
£5.50 - Played 6, won 3, lost 3
£11.00 - Played 19, won 10, Lost 9
PROFIT/LOSS on Day £12.00
REWARD POINTS = 220
BANKROLL at close of Play = £470.39
REWARD POINTS at close of play = 3,289
Tuesday 26th November
Played 13
Won 9
Lost 4
Split....
£2.25 - Played 0, won 0, Lost 0
£5.50 - Played 4, won 4, lost 0
£11.00 - Played 9, won 5, Lost 4
PROFIT/LOSS on Day £19.00
REWARD POINTS = 110
BANKROLL at close of Play = £489.39
REWARD POINTS at close of play = 3,399
November so far.....
Played 490
Won 289
Lost 201
Win-rate, November, 58.98%
Monday was incred!
Never been so many PLO8 DYM's running, I played 19 @ £11, & I missed several.
The Tables were a bit tougher, though, inevitably, & all the Big Boys were out in force.
I did not have the best of times ealy doors, kept getting coolered or quartered, & actually bust three of them in Level One. Unheard of.
I was pretty sure I'd done my conkers, but ran better at the end. Eventually, I edged the game count 13-12, but lost £12 in doing so. All things considered - I was deffo not on my A-Game - a bit of a result really.
Got no less than 220 Reward Points though, & moved above the 3,000 threshold, so that increases my dividend by 50%. As of now, that's over £50, which will be wool on my back for December's numbers (not going to include it in November).
Tuesday, well I had to drive up to Leeds & back from London, left home @ 04.45, so I was pretty tired, & decided on a short session. Went pretty good really, won the Game Count 9-4, & made a profit of £19, so recovered Monday's slight setback.
Lovely atmo on the Tables last night, plenty of banter & rubs. Nothing beats "fun poker" with a bunch of like-minded people.
Only 3 sessions left for me in November, as I've got the Show tomorrow night, with Jules Sowas, & earlier, I've been lucky to be invited to The Sir Peter O'Sullevan Award Lunch, for their annual do. Last year they honoured Sir Hency Cecil, God bless him, & Joanna Lumley gave a speech. Be interested to see who they Honour this year. I'm sharing a Table with David Pipe, & Lord Grumpy.
It's at The Dorchester Hotel in London, VERY posh, got 5 Restaurants & everything. Very interesting building, too, of which Wikipidea notes.....
Some 40,000 tonnes of earth were excavated to make room for the hotel's extensive basement which is one-third of the size of the hotel above the surface. The upper eight floors were erected in just 10 weeks, supported on a massive 3 feet (0.91 m) thick reinforced concrete deck that forms the roof of the first floor.
How fascinating! Might take some photos of the building, I know you'd love that. Concrete facade, too, oooh.
I got myself in a nasty corner with "footsie" last night. First, you gotta respect this guy, his game, as to technical side, is pretty good. (Understatement ftw).
I had nut clubs & a bad low, & turned the nut flush, BOOM. I potted, he flatted. Good man, in you come.
The river paired the turned deuce. Ugh.
I Pot, he REPOTS.
What to do? As played, he MUST have nut nut here, & easily so if he was playing A-2-3 combos. I grimaced, & eventually found a reluctant fold. He then came across to another of my Tables & asked "nut flush there T?". Yes yes. "I rivered the boat with the nut low" he tyops. Oooh, what an escape.
On Monday, v the Argonaut, I busted in Level one, when the flop came A-K-2, & I had top two & an emergency low. He can't POSSIBLY have A-A-x-x here, as played, that'd be the case Ace which flopped. He did. Outrageous.
One very odd & frustrating game last night, when 4 of us remained, one of whom had a monster stack. I was middling, but OK, & Amarie & Argonaut were both on life-support stacks. In fact, I'd quartered the Argonaut earlier in a cooler spot for him, very rare to prise any chips from him. He just sat quietly though, biding his time, & was still hanging in with 4 left. He is VERY good.
Anyway, with 4 left, this Monster Stack kept LIMPING into every pot, even with the Blinds pretty big. And first doubled up Argonaut, (NEVER a good thing) & then doubled Amarie. Yikes, I might have to sit back in & play again.
With experienced players, in spots like this, they never "make up" the Small. So Argonaut was mostly folding to me from the Small, & I was (mostly) folding to MOTHER from my Small. Without exception, we folded, or Raised -NEVER limped. But Mr Monster limped into EVERY hand, ugh. It was making life really difficult.
I was down to fumes eventually, but AMARIE got very unlucky, & exited, what a (bittersweeet) relief.
In these spots, it feels quite frustrating when someone keeps limping in & doubling up the others, but they are entitled to, & after all, we should not rely on others to do our work for us. I openly admit, if I have plenty of chips, 4 handed, I sort of "hide", & let the others do the work.
Lazy so & so, me.
And yes an old dog can learn new tricks
With help from this diary
prior to this week I had been a losing hilo dym player played 5 won 2 loss £13
but thanks to this diary I have improved this week played 13 won 10 profit £53 roi 43%
have to mention it now because I know it cannot last
Any tips for playing a PLO8 MTT please?
Cheers
Mick
Surely every hand is different, and although everyone has periods of good or bad luck there is no way of knowing how lucky or unlucky you are going to be before each individual hand/card is dealt??? So all we can do is make the best possible decision which will reward us the most long term?
Unless you can predict the rng
I know some people watch what cards are coming out on the flop a lot on a specific table, so if a lot of diamonds are flopping they'll try and see flops with suited diamond hands, or if a lot 6's are flopping they'll call with any 6x hand.
Obviously nonsense, but amusing!