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Can an old dog learn new tricks?

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  • edited September 2014
    In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks?:
    Play the £5 ones vesp! Pretty much the same faces but with less of the anyfour, anypair, anyace.com brigade.
    Posted by Macacgirl1

    So i can't bring my spanners then ! :-)

    Probably give it a few weeks or so.
    Need to recover from the 6 week runbad i had.
  • edited September 2014
    Last night was my last session until Monday, as I have some real life stuff to attend to today until Saturday, & I'm working on Sunday, doing the Show with Anna

    Noooo, what bad timing Mr K!!!

    I go on my hols on Monday and not back until 24 October, go on admit it you will miss me (and my easy money!!)

    Good luck at the tables

    See you soon

    Mother
    xxx 





  • edited September 2014
    In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks?:
    Last night was my last session until Monday, as I have some real life stuff to attend to today until Saturday, & I'm working on Sunday, doing the Show with Anna Noooo, what bad timing Mr K!!! I go on my hols on Monday and not back until 24 October, go on admit it you will miss me (and my easy money!!) Good luck at the tables See you soon Mother xxx 
    Posted by Amarie
    Morning Mother.

    Actually, I will miss you, its always more fun when you are around.

    So you are off to Vegas on Monday?

    Flying from where, & on what airtline?

    What hotel you staying at?

    If you hire a car, PLEASE try & visit Mount Charlston Lodge...... 

    http://www.lasvegas.com/listing/mt-charleston-lodge/6600/

    Ideally, go first thing in the morning. The drive up the mountain is simply spectacular at that time of day, & you can take breakfast on the Verandah, & take in views on the wonderful log-built houses nestling in the heavily wooded mountain-side.

    When you drive up, the first place you see on the Mountain is "Mount Charlston RESORT - this is NOT the place. Drive past that for another 5 minutes & you will arrive at the LODGE. 

    They are both, remarkably, Ski Lodges in the winter. Imagine, a ski resort 35 kilometres from Las Vegas! 

    Hope you & Father have a perfectly lovely time, & you'll be much missed here, especially by me.

    If you get chance now & then to update us from Vegas, we'd love to hear from you.

    If you want to play any PLO8 whilst in Vegas, the best place is The Orleans, who specialise in PLO & PLO8 Tournaments. Word of warning though, most of them are LIMIT, not Pot Limit.

    The Orleans is a bit off Strip, quite near The Rio, but an interesting Hotel, with a Bowling Alley, Shops, Cinema, nice range of Restaurants (11), & a very pleasant cardroom.

    xx
  • edited September 2014
    In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks?:
    [QUOTE]"& decrease the £3ers" I have just registered for and playing my very last £3 game! I ain't good enough to play them, I'm lost with them post flop like I am with the two pound games. £5 only from now on.
    Posted by Macacgirl1


    I hope you don't cease playing the £3ers Karen. You just have to play a little differently in them, but they are still fun to play.
     
    I only plan to reduce them slightly so as to more easily get my 150 Reward Points per night, & do so more quickly. I was just finding that the £3ers ran so frequently, then when a £5 or £11 ran, there was no room on my laptop screen, & I ended up with 7 or 8 tables.
     
    I still expect to play up to 20 @ £3 every night. Apart from anything else, many of our friends only play the £3ers, & I don't really want to "abandon" them.

    In terms of results, they are much the same for me as the £5 & £11 games.

    In September, @ £3, I've so far played 259, & won 147, so that's a Win-Rate of 59.5%. I'd happily play them & nothing else, but I don't have time to play 50 @ £3 every night, which is what I'd need for 150 Reward Points, thats the only issue.  By including £5 & £11, I can reach 150 Points in 30 to 35 games.

    Have you measured your results in the £3 games?

    Sure, you have to adjust a bit, but they are still fun, & profitable.
       
  • edited September 2014

    I guess I was hasty, I'll play the £3 games during the day. The £5 games don't run then then!
    I'm only giving them up because I find it difficult to 'try' in them, no other reason.  In the £5 and odd £11 game I don't make the sigh/exacerbation/'youhaven'tplayedthathandpreflopsurely call.  £3 games I just give up and do! Can't help myself.

    Don't forget your flask of bisto for the afternoon tea.

  • edited September 2014
    In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks?:
    I guess I was hasty, I'll play the £3 games during the day. The £5 games don't run then then! I'm only giving them up because I find it difficult to 'try' in them, no other reason.  In the £5 and odd £11 game I don't make the sigh/exacerbation/'youhaven'tplayedthathandpreflopsurely call.  £3 games I just give up and do! Can't help myself. Don't forget your flask of bisto for the afternoon tea.
    Posted by Macacgirl1

    Splitting your days then! :-))
  • edited September 2014
    naughty chair!
  • edited September 2014
    Hi teeks,
    So I notice even YOU have a win-rate of 59% across the DYM's. Not bad going. Makes me a feel a bit better about my game atm. I'm currently languishing on 51% since I started logging my scores after making my 1st deposit back on August 8th, and I KNOW that I need to increase this substantially IF I am to make any progress in DYM's.

    OK, I KNOW and acknowledge that there is a distinct difference between myself and you guys, in that you are playing PLO8 and I'm playing NLHE.

    In terms of NLHE, I'm taking on advice from a guy called Devonfish5, who has documented significant success playing DYMs.

    I've had alot of messages on my thread analysing my play and also my win-rate and even some suggestions about perhaps moving up a couple of levels as my win %'age would garner a small increase in BR rather than it being stagnated as it is at the microstakes when I achieve say cashing 3/5 games.

    Dev thinks my skills aren't yet honed enough to move up, and besides I'm happy sticking where I am at the moment, playing the 60p games with my BR being just shy of £40.

    Additionally, I have recently added a small top-up in order to gain a reputable sample of 30p Turbo DYM's which attract same points value as the 60p's and therefore I'd be able to chalk up alot more of these games in the same timeframe I take to play a few standard dym's and that way earn much more points and therefore get a much better chance of earning some decent "rake-back" (as some ppl like to call it).

    I have also debated on depositing again, a larger sum of money to take a good shot at the higher stakes games but I've had alot of debate both for & against - I wonder what your thought's would be?
  • edited September 2014
    In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks?:
    In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks? : Gary I think you maybe need to think a little more before making comments like the bolded bit. Yes, you did have some trolling on the thread but for the most part people are trying to help you.
    Posted by Jac35
    Hi Jac. If you delete your posting, then I'll heavily revise my response to more like what I was trying to say.

    EDIT: 1255pm - I have revised my posting as I said I would.
  • edited September 2014
    Hi Gary, I know you asked TK for his opinion, but seeing as how I read your message, as will many others, I'll offer my wee bit of advice.
    Most people will probably agree, that with a limited bankroll, it's essential (If winning is important and you don't want to keep on depositing) to find the game that is best suited to you with regard to the following.
    A) You/We aren't playing with scared money.
    B) You/We are playing at a buy-in level that you can win at over a large sample size.
    C) You/We are playing at a buy-in level that you can beat the rake, over a large sample size (more important than B)
    D) Regardless of A,B & C, you HAVE TO enjoy it.

    You can take all the advice onboard from a million people Gary, but it's my opinion that you have to use your own nogging at the end of the day and play a game using A,B,C & D that suits you.

    I don't know what is considered to be a suitable BR for £1 DYMs, but I'd be happy to play £1 DYMs with a £40 BR. That's just me, not advice for you, just what I'd do.

    Best of luck Gary, enjoy it, whatever you do, that's more important than anything else.
  • edited September 2014
    OK here goes, its not a brag post because you did ask:

    Monday fly to New York (via Heathrow with Virgin PE)
    staying for 3 nights at the Crowns PLaza Times Square
    then from there to Las Vegas (Virgin America PE) staying for 7 nights at the Mirage
    From there we fly to Miami (American Airlines first class)
    We have 7 days where we will drive down to the Keys (over lots of bridges!!)
    Then finish off for 14 nights at Clearwater Beach (the one with the roundabout!!)
    Fly home from Orlando to Manchester (Virgin PE)

    We have both retired from work now so this is our retirement present to ourselves

    I have just mentioned to 'the father' about Mount Charleston Lodge and he is googling as we speak, (lol) and the verdict is...yes we have to do it so looks like we will be hiring a car for at least a day. Think we will also be taking in a couple of shows whilst we are there. But most of all want to play some poker. I love playing live poker but i know at SPT's i play way too tight so my plan is to play and have fun, splash the chips around do some funky moves and if they dont work, hey what does it matter, I'm in Vegas theres always another game!!

    If i get chance i will definitely let you all know what we are up to.

    Behave yourself at the tables!!

    See you soon

    Mother

    PS the father is currently chatting to the daughter who sends her love (she is sunning herself at the moment in the Canaries)

    xxx

  • edited September 2014
    Love it Amarie, what a trip!
    We too/two are retiring next year and our final 'big' holiday is something similar.

    Have super fun

    Karen

    xx
  • edited September 2014
    is it too late to reconsider?

    I could draw up a Chinese itinerary that would be even more interesting, including poker in Macau of course.
  • edited September 2014
    Dinner In China Town San Francisco
    A Week In Rio
    Weekend in Skeggy, job done!
  • edited September 2014
    In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks?:
    Dinner In China Town San Francisco A Week In Rio Weekend in Skeggy, job done!
    Posted by Macacgirl1
    Now why didnt i think of that lol
  • edited September 2014
     Mr K, any suggestions for best place to hire car from in Vegas?

    Ta

    Mother

    xx

  • edited September 2014
    In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks?:
    Dinner In China Town San Francisco A Week In Rio Weekend in Skeggy, job done!
    Posted by Macacgirl1
    has potential but not sure you'll see any real pandas on that trip. 
  • edited September 2014
    In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks?:
    I guess I was hasty, I'll play the £3 games during the day. The £5 games don't run then then! I'm only giving them up because I find it difficult to 'try' in them, no other reason.  In the £5 and odd £11 game I don't make the sigh/exacerbation/'youhaven'tplayedthathandpreflopsurely call.  £3 games I just give up and do! Can't help myself. Don't forget your flask of bisto for the afternoon tea.
    Posted by Macacgirl1
    I get your meaning, & sometimes have the same problem. A "thin" play presents itself, & I instinctively look to see if it is a £3 game or an £11 game, in the latter, I'm likely to be a little more prudent, in the £3er I tended to think "it's only a £3er, lets go".

    But thats our fault, not theirs, & we have to treat them all with the same degree of care.
     
    Anyway, I'm glad you'll still play £3ers, we both have so many pals there, we'd miss them very much if we abandoned the £3ers.
  • edited September 2014
    In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks?:
    Teeks, China is humongous, and becoming bigger & more important by the day. Here's another one for you: Tencent, mkt cap $150bn, they have a free smartphone messaging app wechat that has free voice and video calls etc etc and over 400million users. amazing that - you can have video calls with friends overseas, all for free. way more powerful than the Western equivalent WhatsApp, and vastly more commercial opportunities. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tencent and what of one of your favorite materials - concrete China now produces and consumes over 60% of the world's cement and railways - they've just built a 1,100 mile long high speed railway in 4 years - The Lanzhou–Ürümqi High-Speed Railway - that makes our planned HS2 sound like a spare-time project for a branch line!
    Posted by GELDY
    Mind-boggling stuff Gelders.

    Tencent are the 4th biggest internet company in the world, bested only by google, Amazon & E-Bay. They employ 26,000 people. google "Tencent" & there's a ton of stuff about them. I actually thought Tencent was a rapper for some reason.
     
    I don't claim to be clever, but I'm well-read, & take a great interest in business matters the world over, but I'd never heard of them.

    What a big world we live in.

    The commercial growth in China in my lifetime, especially since the days of Chairman Mao, is unparalleled.

  • edited September 2014
    In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks?:
    In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks? : R4 did a feature on him on monday i think. Well worth looking up on the iplayer. Dressing in army fatigues and declaring war on ebay.
    Posted by TeddyBloat
    Thanks Teddy, I'll have a look at that.
     
    I've been busy researching Mr Ma the last few days, wowzer, it's staggering. LOVE to see "self-made men", & original thinkers who succeed in business.

    Jack Ma, Steve Jobs, Page & Brin, Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, Michael O'Leary, Jack Welch, Mike Ashley, Jack Cohen, Terry Leahy, I cannot tell you how much I admire these people.

    I've got a business trivia question for you now. NO GOOGLING. I know you won't cheat, but here's a business question for you.
     
    I had the good fortune to take Afternoon Tea @ Fortnum & Mason yesterday, it was a birthday gift. I had never visited F & M before, & it blew me away, ogling all the rich folks, but most of all, how incredibly clever that place is, what a successful business it must be, & how beautifully managed it is. So I went a-googling, to find out about the business.

    It is a PLC, but without googling, betcha can't guess what is odd about the ownership structure, or who owns it?

    The internet is SUCH a great resource for the curious mind. And yes, I have a curious mind.  
       
  • edited September 2014
    In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks?:
    In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks? : So i can't bring my spanners then ! :-) Probably give it a few weeks or so. Need to recover from the 6 week runbad i had.
    Posted by VespaPX
    You'll need a scaffold spanner soon, to remove that scaffold.

    How are you coping with the scaffold? Any pain or discomfort?
     
  • edited September 2014
    In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks?:
    I guess I was hasty, I'll play the £3 games during the day. The £5 games don't run then then! I'm only giving them up because I find it difficult to 'try' in them, no other reason.  In the £5 and odd £11 game I don't make the sigh/exacerbation/'youhaven'tplayedthathandpreflopsurely call.  £3 games I just give up and do! Can't help myself. Don't forget your flask of bisto for the afternoon tea.
    Posted by Macacgirl1
    Afternoon Tea was awesome.

    Rasberry Charlotte, Lemon Drizzle, warm scones with lemon curd & clotted cream, mmmm. Might Post some photos later.
     
  • edited September 2014
    In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks?:
    Hi teeks, So I notice even YOU have a win-rate of 59% across the DYM's. Not bad going. Makes me a feel a bit better about my game atm. I'm currently languishing on 51% since I started logging my scores after making my 1st deposit back on August 8th, and I KNOW that I need to increase this substantially IF I am to make any progress in DYM's. OK, I KNOW and acknowledge that there is a distinct difference between myself and you guys, in that you are playing PLO8 and I'm playing NLHE. In terms of NLHE, I'm taking on advice from a guy called Devonfish5, who has documented significant success playing DYMs. I've had alot of messages on my thread analysing my play and also my win-rate and even some suggestions about perhaps moving up a couple of levels as my win %'age would garner a small increase in BR rather than it being stagnated as it is at the microstakes when I achieve say cashing 3/5 games. Dev thinks my skills aren't yet honed enough to move up, and besides I'm happy sticking where I am at the moment, playing the 60p games with my BR being just shy of £40. Additionally, I have recently added a small top-up in order to gain a reputable sample of 30p Turbo DYM's which attract same points value as the 60p's and therefore I'd be able to chalk up alot more of these games in the same timeframe I take to play a few standard dym's and that way earn much more points and therefore get a much better chance of earning some decent "rake-back" (as some ppl like to call it). I have also debated on depositing again, a larger sum of money to take a good shot at the higher stakes games but I've had alot of debate both for & against - I wonder what your thought's would be?
    Posted by GaryLaud
    Morning Gary.

    First & foremost, you have to tick TWO boxes. The answer to these two things are entirely specific to you, not anyone else. 

    1) Enjoy it. 

    2) Do so within your financial means. 

    Thats it really.

    Macac said this, though, & I agree with her...... (most especially D)

    A) You/We aren't playing with scared money.
    B) You/We are playing at a buy-in level that you can win at over a large sample size.
    C) You/We are playing at a buy-in level that you can beat the rake, over a large sample size (more important than B)
    D) Regardless of A,B & C, you HAVE TO enjoy it
    .

    On balance, & personally, if you can manage a £40 Bankroll, I think playing the £1ers is just fine. DYM's are relativelty low-variance, so 40 Buy-Ins seems fine to me.
     
    If you could manage, say, £50, then I'd almost suggest playing £3ers is fine, but not if you "play scared". I've "played scared" too many times, it is no fun. Now I play within my comfort zone, & I've never enjoyed poker more. You should do the same, no matter what anyone tells you. 

    Have you read John Connor's DYM Guide? It's amazingly good.

    I'd also say that it is increasingly hard to win at NLHE these days, so many people play it so well. Many of us have accepted this, & moved onto to easier pastures such as PLO or PLO8, though a word of caution, PLO & PLO8 CAN be very "swingy", & you'd have to come to terms with what NLHE players consider to be horrendous beats. You'll get them every single day in the 4 card game, & you have to be able to take those beats without flinching or whingeing. I guarantee you, if you play PLO or PLO8, you will see "perferct perfect runner runner" beats EVERY session. And you'll dish them out, too.
     
    Anyway, do what you most ENJOY mate, thats the key thing. We aint ever going to win enough to retire, so what we should really aim for is to have our poker fun at nil, or low, cost. If we can do that, we are doing fine. Cheaper than a night down the boozer, for sure.
     
    Good luck fella.   
  • edited September 2014
    In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks?:
    OK here goes, its not a brag post because you did ask: Monday fly to New York (via Heathrow with Virgin PE) staying for 3 nights at the Crowns PLaza Times Square then from there to Las Vegas (Virgin America PE) staying for 7 nights at the Mirage From there we fly to Miami (American Airlines first class) We have 7 days where we will drive down to the Keys (over lots of bridges!!) Then finish off for 14 nights at Clearwater Beach (the one with the roundabout!!) Fly home from Orlando to Manchester (Virgin PE) We have both retired from work now so this is our retirement present to ourselves I have just mentioned to 'the father' about Mount Charleston Lodge and he is googling as we speak, (lol) and the verdict is...yes we have to do it so looks like we will be hiring a car for at least a day. Think we will also be taking in a couple of shows whilst we are there. But most of all want to play some poker. I love playing live poker but i know at SPT's i play way too tight so my plan is to play and have fun, splash the chips around do some funky moves and if they dont work, hey what does it matter, I'm in Vegas theres always another game!! If i get chance i will definitely let you all know what we are up to. Behave yourself at the tables!! See you soon Mother PS the father is currently chatting to the daughter who sends her love (she is sunning herself at the moment in the Canaries) xxx
    Posted by Amarie
    Wowzer!

    Hope you have an abso blast, you both deserve it.
     
    I tried retiring 10 years ago, & made a bit of a mess of it one way & another, lol. 

    Make sure you go to Mt Charlston LODGE, not RESORT. Different places.  

    Best regards to the Father, & a big hug to The Daughter, but don't tell the policeman.

    Have a LOVELY time.
  • edited September 2014
    In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks?:
     Mr K, any suggestions for best place to hire car from in Vegas? Ta Mother xx
    Posted by Amarie
    In my personal experience, hire it from the car hire booth at your Hotel. No queues, & the car will be waiting in the Hotel Car Park for you next morning, no fuss no bother. 

    The nut worst way is hiring it at the Airport. You have to get a shuttle bus from the Terminal to a giant Car Hire Emporium about 2 miles away, where there are 8 or 10 Car Hire Firms. There will be 200 or more people in there, all tetchy after long flights, with bigger queues than the Immigration Hall, you'll be there HOURS. Nightmare, proper nightmare.  

    Took me 5 minutes tops to arrange it at the Hotel booth. Might have paid $10 or so over the top but well worth it. We don't go on holiday to stand in queues.
  • edited September 2014
    In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks?:
    In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks? : In my peresonal experience, hire it from the car hire both at your Hotel. No queues, & the car will be waiting in the Hotel Car Park for you next morning, no fuss no bother.  The nut worst way is hiring it at the Airport. You have to get a shuttle bus from the Terminal to a giant Car Hire Emporium about 2 miles away, where there are 8 or 10 Car Hire Firms. There will be 200 or more people in there, all tetchy after long flights, with bigger queues than the Immigration Hall, you'll be there HOURS. Nightmare, proper nightmare.   Took me 5 minutes tops to arrange it at the Hotel booth. Might have paid $10 or so over the top but well worth it. We don't go on holiday to stand in queues.
    Posted by Tikay10
    Briliant thanks for that will defo do that.

    Mr B has been googling Charleston Lodge and thinks the drive there should be awesome so if i get the chance will send piccies. Probably hire the car for a couple of days at least and do Hoover Dam (lots of concrete or is it cement..is there a difference?) and perhaps Lake Mead although according to Mr B there is a bit of a drought over there so it may just be a pond!!

    Thanks again

    Mother  xxx
  • edited September 2014
    In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks?:
    In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks? : You'll need a scaffold spanner soon, to remove that scaffold. How are you coping with the scaffold? Any pain or discomfort?  
    Posted by Tikay10
    They actually sent me home with a spare spanner attached to the front of my Halo vest.
    I've resisted the temptation to have a fiddle.......................so far!

    Coping much better now thanks in no small part to my wonderful wife.
    Still have to sleep sat up which is a pain but getting more used to it now.
    Got an X-Ray appointment next week so should see how the healing's going.
    Luckily i'm quite comfy in my computer chair at my desk to play some Poker.
  • edited September 2014
    Back to the poker, sort of.
    Yesterday I came up with the obvious plan of stopping myself from playing daft.
    I left myself a limited BR to fund the £3 games only.  Surprise, surprise, it forced me to play a bit more sensibly and I only gave up a couple of times due to the weekend craziness.
    Loving it!
  • edited September 2014
    First day back at work after nine weeks off ........... URGH
    The only thought getting me through the day is that when I get home I can enjoy some poker...............
    Get back to play five @£5.50........
    Lose four.........URGH
    I just cannot wait to get back to work............URGH
  • edited September 2014
    HahaNnic ! Just look at Pompey they are in the top half of the table. Great ur back at work give it a few weeks and u will be flying again. Look at the great company u have every night ..the ploppers sure what more can you ask for! 

    Also the promo ends this weeks so you wont have to listen to me moaning about never winning!! 

    Its all so rosey :D


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