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It always seems to happen when we most want to play, too.
You'll be fine Nick, your game is too solid for you to lose over the long term, but we all have bad nights.
Glad you are back at work though, must be a relief?
22nd SEPTEMBER Scores on the Doors.
Played 35
Won 22
Lost 13
£3.30, P 9, W 6, L 3
£5.50, P 18, W 14 L 4
£11, P 8, W 2, L 6
Opening Balance - £1,411.75
Closing Balance = £1,411.05
Profit/Loss on Night - £0.70
Profit/Loss on Month = £51.90
REWARD POINTS on night = 197
REWARD POINTS IN MONTH = 2,382 (= £23.82)
GAMES PLAYED IN MONTH = 521
GAMES WON IN MONTH = 299
SEPTEMBER WIN % = 57.39%
SEPTEMBER Profit/Loss per game = £0.10
Wow, what a night.
Back from a 4 day break, gagging to play, but my first priority was not to drop back beneath £1,400.
Despite winning a good % of games, I kept losing the £11ers - lost SIX won two (!), & I was soon in a mighty big hole, some £70 down, ugh.
But I was playing really well, or as well as I can, & never tilted or got in a flap, just kept playing my game, & ended up winning 9 of the last 11, though the two losses were, groan, both £11ers.
When I came to check my balance at end of play, was pretty sure I'd lost £30 or £40, so it was such a lovely surprise to see I'd lost......£0.70! Happy with that, all things considered.
And 26 games @ £5 & £11 on a Monday night? Never been known, bodes well for the winter, these games will be fantastic in a month or so's time.
197 Reward points, too, BOOM.
Won 63% of my games last night, & my overall rate for September is now 57.4%, which is quite acceptable.
Loads of new players last night, too.
Was pleased to see JACEON back amongst us, & I think he had a good night.
The revelation was Gelders, wow at how he has changed his game.
Lovely night, one of the most enjoyable I can recall.
Will be trying again tonight. See you later.
Two interesting spots came up in the £11ers last night.
In the first, I had doubled up early - too early really, so with low blinds, a long wait followed.
Every now & then I'd find a hand, potted it, everyone dutifully folded, & I'd maintain my healthy stack. Unusually, & with good reason, I "showed" my hand every time so they knew I was only playing premium hands.
Then I found A-K-9-2 DS, so potted it, & got re-raised. We can never be in terrible shape here, but did I need to risk it? I can fold & still be chip leader, & to make it more awkward, the raiser - Gelders - was 2nd in chips. Pre-flop I'm pretty sure I probably have the better hand.
Bit of an awkward spot, but I could not find the fold, & was never peeling, so in they went, & I got turned over.
It was quite a spectacular bad beat, (or so I thought at the time) but it never bothered me a jot, & I never complained, just typed "N1 Gelders". A geezer not in the pot then pipes up "you should have folded pre, for ICM reasons". He may have been right, in truth, though the timing of his comment was a tad off I thought. Several people typed "WHO should have folded?", lol, as the two hands were very different.
Anyway, maybe I should hsave found the fold? Dunno, my hand was really strong.
I looked it up later on an odds calculator, as I was intrigued.
I was 54% - 46% fave pre-flop in equity terms.
I scoop 35% of the time, v 29% the "villain" scoops.
So, remarkably, I'm not THAT far ahead pre-flop, though I'd love to take that match up 10,000 times. Perhaps a bad play in a DYM, & a great play in a Cash game?
On balance, & with hindsight, think I should have folded pre.
Goodbye £11.....
The other interesting (?...) spot was versus Hotwheals.
We both had full stacks, I had good Aces, A-A-2-x, can't recall exactly.
We both know & understand each others ranges. He knows I am strong here. As he had opened, I re-potted, & he flatted, I'm pretty sure he had a combo hand, some combo of A-K-Q-2 or A-K-Q-3. I can, pretty closely, assign a range to him here. He's never going to show up with a weirdo holding.
The flop raised a red flag immediately - paired Kings, K-K-x.
I insta thought "does he have the King?"
The King forms a sizeable part of his range in this very specific spot, so yes, he can have it. But if I check, or show weakness, even without the King, he can steal it off me.
I dithered momentarily, & decided to press on, even though he re-potted me. He does not HAVE to have the King.
But he did.
Think his hand was the very respectable A-K-3-2 or somesuch.
Think I should have folded when he took off on that flop, but that's easy to say with hindsight. He is huge fun to play, & a real test. I generally keep out of his way, but if I have a hand, we'll go to war.
Always good to know that people read this, I do try to make it interesting. I'm not one for flop stories (except this morning, lol) or "woe is me" stuff, & I just love playing the game, & hope the enthusiasm rubs off on others.
The Sky Poker Premiership? Incidentally, I've never known a Promo which is so overwhelmingly popular, I've hardly ever seen a bad word about it, everyone seems to love it, even the serial Moaning Minnies seem to have been quiet.
You are partly right I suppose. I do get a lot of "you work for Sky" digs, but anyone with an iota of common sense knows that makes no sense. I played for 4 hours last night & lost 70p, so the "advantage" does not seem to be much.....
There is a sidestory though.
As you know, when we play poker, we are NOT playing against the "house", we are playing against other players. The Site just collects the Reg Fee or rake, drip drip drip, thats where the income arises.
But when we bet, we are playing against the house. (Ditto Sky Vegas).
Now, I'm part of a sort of "Betting Club" elsewhere, & we bet a goodly amount. We've had 4,000 bets over 3 years, average bet size £30, & we make an average ROI over the 3 years of around 3.5%. (Every bet, every penny, validated & "proofed" on a Spreadsheet). But I've never once placed a bet with Sky Bet, as it just feels wrong somehow. In fact, I am running out of Online Bookies who will accept a bet from me, I've been barred by 4 different Sites & am Restricted at 6 others.
I suppose I should or could have entered it, but the idea of placinhg a bet with Sky Bet just does not quite feel right.
Great question actually, now I sort of wish I had entered!
Thanks.
As there was brief mention of betting, a quick sidetrack/mini-chirp.
Of all those bets I place, NONE of them are selected by me. People make suggestions, &, in theory, a team of experts, Pro Bettors & "Elders" decide if the bet is value or not. If it is value, either Tighty or me (mostly him these days) place the bet, & the regular followers all get on, too.
The key to successful betting is not, as many seem to think, picking winners. That's easy. The key is finding VALUE. We might well think that, say, Chelsea will beat Swansea, but if we can get the right value price on Swansea, we should bet them, not Chelsea, even if we think Chelsea will win. VALUE. We might then change our mind if the Chelsea price gets longer, now we think THEY are the value. So we are not interested in finding winners per se, we are interested in finding VALUE.
Anyway, poker players may have heard of a chap named Dave Shallow, who won a WPT, & also holds the distinction of being the British player to have had the biggest MTT Online win ever, think it was in a WCOOP, $700,000 or so.
Anyway, he is a fearless but incredibly shrewd bettor, mainly greyhounds, but everything really. He really "gets" value, & understands betting mechanics.
So, 2 weeks ago, looking ahead, he identified Leicester v Man U as a good "value spot".
Not content with suggesting the Outright (Leicester to win) he proposed FOUR bets.
Leicester to win.
Leicester DNB
Leicester with a 1 goal start.
Leicester OR the Draw.
So we were exposed every which way......
I watched the Singapore F1 GP, & flicked across to Leicester v Man U. Within 20 minutes (?), Man U were 2-0 up & coasting, so I went for my afternoon nap, as I was doing the Show that night. Not too bothered, but at 0-2, we'd obviously done our conkers.
Woke up with 10 minutes remaining, & Leicester were 4-3 ahead, happy days!
scoopio
None of my teams have come anywhere near the top 5 and doesn't look like this week is going to be any different.
Only kidding- good promo if you get lucky!
I'm sure i'll regret replying, as someone usually replies and an argument ensues but here goes.
yeah hands up TK, sorry if you thought my comment was off. Geldy was right, he max opened and you re-potted. IMO you should fold because 1) they always call, 2) at best its 60:40, more likely 55:45, 3) you had 3600 chips, 4) the sum of all ROI is -10% for the rake, so if you always take flips, you reduce your edge and maybe can never win in the long run.
anyhow, I enjoy your thread and playing with you so long may it continue. laterz
You were spot on as to my range in this spot. I don't mind who knows this, but the fact is, with that stack (I had something silly, 20+ Bigs or whatever) I 100% ALWAYS have a "good ace" in my hand, usually with a deuce, too. In that spot, pre-flop, I NEVER go to war without an ace, ever ever. Maybe a bad thing, but thats how it is.
So your "read" that 3-4-5-7 were" live" was 100% correct.
I was a little sad to see you getting a few snidey comments as to your ranges last night. It was all that "really?" sort of innuendo, because they disapproved of your (new) style of play. I really don't like seeeing that sort of stuff. We pay our own Entry Fees, we can play any way we like. In reality, of course, it's "bad losers".
It's fair to say you are trying something very different. I could not play 3-4-5-7 in a month of Sundays, but as we saw, when we run it through an odds calculator, it is only 54%-46%, & I can think of far worse match-ups.
As to that hand last night, my only cdoncern was mY play, not yoors. I can decide what I play or don't plsy, I can't decide what you want to play, so I'm never going to be cross with anyone but myself.
You must have seen all those threads, "how could the idiot call?" I have to excercise maximum self-restraint not to reply to those.....
If the hands were face up pre, do we want a that call? Of course we do. So we can't have it both ways, "yes please, unless you win, in which case you are an idiot".
Put in a way that MaCac would understand, "cake & eat it".
"DNB" means "Draw No Bet". So if it ends as a draw, you get your money back.
Sky Bet? I just don't feel comfy betting with them, it sort of feels wrong somehow. Not sure why, tbh.
Welcome to the thread, & I'm glad you read, & replied.
I fully understand ICM, & if I thought Gelders was likely to call, I'd have played it differently, but I was pretty sure I could force the fold there - he often folds to my re-pots. I was wrong.
You ARE correct of course, in ICM terms it was a clear fold, "find a better spot". I always prefer taking it down pre-flop, for obvious reasons. That was why I posted the hand, because, on balance, I think I made an error, & your comment was correct.
There won't be an argument, trust me, we don't have rucks on this thread, we are grown-ups.
I do happen to think that when chatting to players immediately after a beat, we need to tread warily, or even just dissecting each others play. The chat-box is such an awkward medium to debate these things, with the attendant risk of misunderstandings going off. In truth, I thought the comment was fine, but the timing was a tad borderline. Be assured, no offence taken, but I like this Diary to be honest. I'd also just lost my 5th £11er in 7 attempts, so maybe I was in defensive mode.
Anyway, it got you to Post, as you are, presumably, a regular reader, so I'm chuffed to bits with that, boomio!
See you tonight.
It's fair to say you are trying something very different. I could not play 3-4-5-7 in a month of Sundays, but as we saw, when we run it through an odds calculator, it is only 54%-46%, & I can think of far worse match-ups.''
Just a thought.
In Cake Mode, obviously.
Can I borrow your diary please TK to answer a question somebody asked me in a chat box last night.
So, playing last night, someone asked me why I play so differently at night than I do during the day. Almost immediately someone else at the table, piped up and said something along the lines of 'I've wondered that'.
I said in the chat box, too long to explain whilst playing and to read the diary, so here goes.
During the day, I find the games very much a challenge, there are some very good players who if at a table make it very difficult. I like that challenge, I like to try to play my best during the day. It's during the day that I play (usually!) a standard, solid game. Or as solid as I am able, anyways, that's how I play during the day.
Evening time is a different matter entirely. I then play entirely 100% for fun. I enjoy the chat (if I'm able to participate) and donking certain people! I don't exactly play like a lunatic, but, I don't play in a way in which I would advocate anyone follows or replicates! I'll call light, come over the top with nowt if I think I can force a fold, I'll see more flops, I'll limp in etc etc. I have a stack size threshold, in relation to levels, in which I won't go below and will get my chips in the middle with average (to say the least) hands, when during the day, I'd be folding.
Winning money playing this game has never bothered me one ounce. If I played my A game all the time, I'd possibly be a wee bit more profitable, but it's not enough to make any difference in the grand scheme of things anyway.
Sorted.
I really think Gelders experiment is fascinating, & has opened the eyes of many of us.
I'm a little too "A-B-C", and it just about works, but only just, & I'm keen to look at ways of trying to get a bit better.
Broadly, I win around 57% of my games long-term. I need to get that to 60%, so I have to keep tweaking, fettling & faffing.
It is a bit "heavy", but it is essential to know.
However, many people instinctively "feel it", which is fine.
It's like the maths & odds in NLHE, people argue about a few %. Thewy, for example, does not "know" any of the exact numbers, but has a perfect "feel" for pot odds. I would imagine Matt bates, Scotty, TommyD & the like are the same.
I do smile a little when I see a PHA debate arguing about a few % points. It's all guesswork UNLESS we exactly know villain's hand.
ICM is a bit uphill to learn at first, but once you get a feel for it, you sort of no longer need it - because it gives you the logic, the theory, the "feel" of what we should do.
And you soon know who does not understand it, when they limp-fold from a, say, 4 BB stack, or call 80% of their stack when, in reality, they can - or SHOULD - never fold now. Betting 1,000 from 3,000 & a player with 1,200 flat calls is a bit bizarre, but we see it every night.
There was a similar comment in a PLO8 DYM last night, when the BB folded to an all-in shove of 2 Bigs, (one caller already) even though it was very little more to call. He is not OBLIGED to call here if he has spanners.
The SB maybe should call here, but.....the shortie was a very good player.
The thing here is how wise is it to treble up a very good player, especially at a stage when we are all playing relatively shallow, around 8 Bigs average?
I found myself in the same spot later when the Shortie SB shoved on my big, & I folded to a chorus of "really?"
My hand was 4-4-4-4.
The thread is rocking & rolling today!
Back to fun for a moment, I deliberately made a horrendous play last night, when I was monsta chippie, I just could not help myself. I knew how terribad it was, but I could not resist, especially as Twiglet was in the BB.
So I potted it with the old A-A-A-A, then showed after they all folded.
They were not even suited.
Them's me dancing shoes.
Question for you:
I was playing in a PLO8 MTT on Sunday and got to final table.
It became quite obvious that the chip leader was playing hands more suited to PLO than PLO8 (Broadway type hands,etc.)
Ended up losing to him HU.
Given that there is always a Hi winning hand, what do you think of this type of play in an MTT?
Cheers
Mick
The fact that I lost the hand is irrelevant, of course. It was just a piece of poor judgement.
Against some players, it would be the correct play, of course. A serial tea-leaf, (mention no names) can easily try & rep the king here.