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Well, that certainly was an interesting discussion about THAT hand!
Tuesday- I didn't play at all. I normally take Tuesdays off because they are my least favourite main, so I do some stuff outside of poker, like spend time with my wife!
It's been a very long week for me this week. I can normally get up around 8:30, to be in work for 9:30. But this week has been a little different. After winning the big bh on Monday, naturally I was buzzing a bit, and couldn't sleep for an hour or 2 afterwards, think I finally got to sleep at 4am. But I had to be in work an hour early on tues, so that meant getting up at 7:30...I can cope with that for one night. So on Tuesday I planned to have an early night (around midnight, which is early for me) but still found myself browsing the internet at 2:30am... I had to be up at 5:30am for a 3hr drive to another site for work, so that didn't really go to plan either. so, 6.5 hrs sleep in 2 nights!
After a full day at work, on the long drive back, shattered, I found myself wondering 'why am I sitting in the inside lane behind all this slow moving traffic, when the outside lane is completely empty...' So I moved out to overtake, before realising - erm, why are there headlights coming towards me...it was obviously just a normal road! Luckily I had only just pulled out and could easily pull back in. The cars behind me must have wondered what the hell I was doing! I should have taken this as a sign, skip poker tonight, you won't play well...
I didn't, and as predicted my evening was infested with mistakes. basic mistakes. I managed to stone bubble the main after being around 5/31 with 30 paid - I needlessly took a flip, and then Called of the other half of my stack with TP after I was clearly being slow played. The only other tourney I managed to stave off the mistakes for any length of time was in was the £11 bounty @ 9:30, which Igowawa decided to make up for all of his runbad, but only vs me! I shoved T7ss into a 8h9hxs board, only to walk into JThh - worst case scenario I believe! Then 15 mins or so later, I busted after calling his 4bet shove with AA vs his QJ, and he hit runner runner for a flush. oh well. gg.
I dropped about £240 last night- it's very hard to play consistently well when that tired! I've had a whopping 5 hours sleep last night, so should be on slightly better form tonight! I hardly feel refreshed though, so we'll see.
3bet size looks rather big and you're committed to calling a 4bet shove from btn. If he is opening wide, then perhaps 3betting smaller as he will fold and if you feel that it induces a shove, you're still going to be way ahead of his range.
Now let's get to the bb, well, yes it's rather suspcious to say the least and I would be very careful here. It certainly looks like a monster given the dynamics you have mentioned. If he was making a 'play' against you then he would be 4bet raising, not flatting, this tells me he has a big pocket pair as I feel he would also be 4betting AK, AQ, AJ as flatting those hands would be awful.
So on the flop you check and he bets big, you have 0 fold equity here, but you do have 12 outs (9xclubs, 3xAce, unless he is holding AA) I think we can safely rule out villian holding Ax hands and are looking at over pairs so we are ~ 45% vs 99+ range.
I can understand your reasoning for folding as this really is a gamble spot and as you say, you can gain chips and rebuild in other hands. This is definitely a +cEV call, but ICM wise, I haven't ran it, but I think it is looking like a fold, so long as your reads are spot-on vs villian.
The only thing I can disagree with you is the 3bet sizing pf as I feel that you can 3bet smaller and have the same impact.
Congrats on the recent bink btw!
Thing is when you make it this size, btn surely realises that he has 0% fold equity so will only be shoving a good hand, whilst, if you make your 3bet smaller, you can induce the btn to shove wide, whereby you have his range crushed. Unless of course you did not want btn to shove wide on you?
Going back to the flop, I would also fold this, as the BB calling us pf was not part of the plan and we have to believe he has 99+.
Cheers! We've met once in the £55 Primo (I finished 12th, think you finished top 4). Hopefully It'll be after xmas as I have used a large part of my bankroll this year for 2 holidays and xmas! I also grind the stts on 888 which are quite profitable but hugely boring
although in game I might end up levelling myself into a call
but ICM and all that
as you like to quote
says insta fold I would guess
im happy to obv get ppl to put money in as massive dogs tho
ps. hate the call pre in these spots even if i am 3bet u wide- mainly cos u still play them pretty passive post-
anyhooo GLGL
Yeah there were a couple of spots last night I played passively vs u after u 3bet, I had my reasons. Bloating the pot with a medium strength hand isn't a great idea + any agression would just scare off all your many bluffs
That above is very good advice. No need to bloat pots with medium hands and definitely don't show strength against an aggro who has a high bluff %, just let them hang themselves.