Can a chicken go pro?

chicknMelt · November 2013

ha, just realised that 2/- meant shillings too...I was genuinly looking at that for ages trying to figure out what it meant lol.

chicknMelt · November 2013

SKY's response: Although it does seem a good gesture to a fellow player, it's not something you'd be able to do unfortunately. It's unlikely to result in a ban but the game would be flagged up to our security desk and the cash returned to your account.

foldUfairy · November 2013

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In Response to Re: Can a chicken turn pro? : lol, yeah, no way that is gonna get nicked
Posted by chicknMelt

Haha, desperate times if it did.

If you have both got paypal you could do a transfer that way.

TeddyBloat · November 2013

Great stuff chicken lol.

Can you donate the tenner to larson and slipwaters just giving page? They are doing a charity 24hr poker marathon, all for a great cause.

Id only burn it in an mtt anyway.

Thanks mate.

chicknMelt · November 2013

Link please

Nice gesture.

TeddyBloat · November 2013

https://www.skypoker.com/secure/poker/sky_lobby?action=show_static&page=poker_community_forums&plckForumPage=ForumDiscussion&plckDiscussionId=Cat%3a57795ac2-1793-4377-b4cf-e124b0f555f4Forum%3adf77f82c-151f-4bea-aae1-fb423dcae1faDiscussion%3a07c6e01b-f9c9-4236-b05f-f366bcb3e0bf

Great stuff. Ill match it too.

YOYOY · November 2013

I,ve just realised that i,ve spent the last hour or so reading this thred/blog/diary having initially just glanced at the first entry purely by chance.

Some of it flew way over my head. I didn,t even know what half the abbreviations meant and the calculations took me back to reading my maths book at school and wondering wtf the formula for solving quadratic equations was all about. But that didn,t matter because what really shone through was the genuine affection the people of the community show for each other. Not one "hope you fall flat on your face" or "you're not good enough" just encouragement,ideas,interest and good wishes.

Take a bow Sky Poker Community. You deserve it.

And to you Chickenmelt, the best of luck in your quest.

chicknMelt · November 2013

I started off the night playing pretty badly to be honest. the usual stuff - me being a massive spewtard. It was so bad in fact, that after I started at 6, by 6:30ish I had busted from about 4 or 5 tourneys for a total value of about £70... So I decided to join TK for some PLO8 DYMs. think I'm starting to get the hang of them - definately went straight into the deep end playing the £11 ones though. some v.good players. I was up at one point, but I think I ended up losing one or 2 more than I won.

The turnaround started with a 2nd place in the 7pm £22bh, then a 9th place finish in the 2kgtd £11bh that I won only a couple of days ago. I still can't seem to cash in the £55 speed BH, finishing 8th this time (6 cash). Didn't manage to get anything going in the main either. In the main events, if you dont build up a decent stack by the time your an hour in, its very difficult to cash, because the structure is quite fast, and there are lots of "bounty hunters".

I saved the best til last, the big BH, along with the main event, probably the most prestigous daily tourney to win (deep structure, big buy in, and mostly good players)... We join the action with 9 left...

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12:40 I seem to be on a really passive table – even people I have marked as agro are playing really passive… managed to build a stack from 30k to 50k… without seeing a turn!

After a while of getting free chips, I started to get played back at… by everyone… probably over did it… If I had reigned back a bit, and not taken the p1 ss, I’m sure I could have kept it going to the final table. – down to 40k

12:55 – final table bubble.. AK soooted utg…just what I’ve been waiting for… lets hope to get played back at. SB made his 3bet a lot smaller than normal, smells like a big hand, but I can’t lay this down. AI, and called by QQ. Flopped an A and a K…and a T, no jack spiked tho J up to 77k, 2/7. Should get a bit of credit again now, esp now I have a big stack… lets put it t good use muahahaha

1:03 – mmm yeah, checky raisy floppy, and barrel again on the turn, villain folds. 88k 1/7

1:12 – A4 in the BB, Sb shoves for < 10bb… CALLLLL! Villain has J7 and I hold… FINAL TABLE, and with double the chips of 2^nd place J 112k

1:16 – ok, people aren’t scared of me, and are playing back, will have to tighten up. the final table bubble took a long time, and it looks like people are opening up alot now. 95k

1:20 – open 55 from the button, bb calls (from a 10bb stack?). flop is AA2 and villan insta shoves…clearly not got an A then lol… I call and he turns over KQ. I hold to take another bounty. 118k. 1/5

1:31 opened K4s utg (yeah yeah, I know – I’m bounty hunting)… the ss with 5bb shoves, I call. He has Q8… I flopp a K and a 4. Lol. Down to 4 players, and my chips are up to 166k – half the chips in play.

1:33 – ok, looks like I have been raising pre too much again lol.. everytime, someone 3bet shoves and im forced to fold.

1:39 – down to 3. Im 1/3

1:40 - 2^nd place just took out 3^rd… HU, with even chips. This guy seems pretty good HU - knows the value of a pair, even if its not top pair... I know this because I was unable to push him off bottom pair... and lost half my chips! must. not. SPEW!

1:42 - just doubled up after I rivered a flush, and villain rivered a straight.

1:44. KJ V TT AIPF. I won. The End.

£584.25 + £338.14 in bounties - weeeeee

around £700 profit for the night..

soooo... time to check sharkscope and see where that puts me for the month...OMG...I'm in profit...this feels WIERD! £238 in profit to be exact!

also on 9516 points, so It looks like I'll make priority this month for the first time too

those DYMs helped quite a bit!

gazza127 · November 2013

In Response to Re: Can a chicken turn pro?:

I started off the night playing pretty badly to be honest. the usual stuff - me being a massive spewtard . It was so bad in fact, that after I started at 6, by 6:30ish I had busted from about 4 or 5 tourneys for a total value of about £70... So I decided to join TK for some PLO8 DYMs. think I'm starting to get the hang of them - definately went straight into the deep end playing the £11 ones though. some v.good players. I was up at one point, but I think I ended up losing one or 2 more than I won. The turnaround started with a 2nd place in the 7pm £22bh, then a 9th place finish in the 2kgtd £11bh that I won only a couple of days ago. I still can't seem to cash in the £55 speed BH, finishing 8th this time (6 cash). Didn't manage to get anything going in the main either. In the main events, if you dont build up a decent stack by the time your an hour in, its very difficult to cash, because the structure is quite fast, and there are lots of "bounty hunters". I saved the best til last, the big BH, along with the main event, probably the most prestigous daily tourney to win (deep structure, big buy in, and mostly good players)... We join the action with 9 left... ---------------- 12:40 I seem to be on a really passive table – even people I have marked as agro are playing really passive… managed to build a stack from 30k to 50k… without seeing a turn! After a while of getting free chips, I started to get played back at… by everyone… probably over did it… If I had reigned back a bit, and not taken the p1 ss, I’m sure I could have kept it going to the final table. – down to 40k 12:55 – final table bubble.. AK soooted utg…just what I’ve been waiting for… lets hope to get played back at. SB made his 3bet a lot smaller than normal, smells like a big hand, but I can’t lay this down. AI, and called by QQ. Flopped an A and a K…and a T, no jack spiked tho J up to 77k, 2/7. Should get a bit of credit again now, esp now I have a big stack… lets put it t good use muahahaha 1:03 – mmm yeah, checky raisy floppy, and barrel again on the turn, villain folds. 88k 1/7 1:12 – A4 in the BB, Sb shoves for < 10bb… CALLLLL! Villain has J7 and I hold… FINAL TABLE, and with double the chips of 2 nd place J 112k 1:16 – ok, people aren’t scared of me, and are playing back, will have to tighten up. the final table bubble took a long time, and it looks like people are opening up alot now. 95k 1:20 – open 55 from the button, bb calls (from a 10bb stack?). flop is AA2 and villan insta shoves…clearly not got an A then lol… I call and he turns over KQ. I hold to take another bounty. 118k. 1/5 1:31 opened K4s utg (yeah yeah, I know – I’m bounty hunting)… the ss with 5bb shoves, I call. He has Q8… I flopp a K and a 4. Lol. Down to 4 players, and my chips are up to 166k – half the chips in play. 1:33 – ok, looks like I have been raising pre too much again lol.. everytime, someone 3bet shoves and im forced to fold. 1:39 – down to 3. Im 1/3 1:40 - 2 nd place just took out 3 rd … HU, with even chips. This guy seems pretty good HU - knows the value of a pair, even if its not top pair... I know this because I was unable to push him off bottom pair... and lost half my chips! must. not. SPEW! 1:42 - just doubled up after I rivered a flush, and villain rivered a straight. 1:44 . KJ V TT AIPF. I won. The End. £584.25 + £338.14 in bounties - weeeeee around £700 profit for the night.. soooo... time to check sharkscope and see where that puts me for the month...OMG...I'm in profit...this feels WIERD! £238 in profit to be exact! also on 9516 points, so It looks like I'll make priority this month for the first time too those DYMs helped quite a bit!
Posted by chicknMelt

Very nice cash mate! Nice one. Knew that - would turn into a + sooner or later.

Donttelmum · November 2013

Nice score Chicken.......congrats! Good time to get the xmas shopping done?

chicknMelt · November 2013

Cheers Gazza! so pleased to have turned it around!

Teddy - just made your donation, with an extra tenner from myself too.

Jac35 · November 2013

Good report, great win

Well done mate

Donttelmum · November 2013

Chicken still awake = buzzing from mtt win

chicknMelt · November 2013

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Chicken still awake = buzzing from mtt win
Posted by Donttelmum

very true. lol.

wouldnt be so bad except I have to get up at 7:30am for work!

chicknMelt · November 2013

In Response to Re: Can a chicken turn pro?:

Nice score Chicken.......congrats! Good time to get the xmas shopping done?
Posted by Donttelmum

Thanks DTM, didnt see this before. Already done the xmas shopping (well, the wife has anyway). Its all staying in my BR for the time being.

chicknMelt · November 2013

In Response to Re: Can a chicken turn pro?:

I,ve just realised that i,ve spent the last hour or so reading this thred/blog/diary having initially just glanced at the first entry purely by chance. Some of it flew way over my head. I didn,t even know what half the abbreviations meant and the calculations took me back to reading my maths book at school and wondering wtf the formula for solving quadratic equations was all about. But that didn,t matter because what really shone through was the genuine affection the people of the community show for each other. Not one "hope you fall flat on your face" or "you're not good enough" just encouragement,ideas,interest and good wishes. Take a bow Sky Poker Community. You deserve it. And to you Chickenmelt, the best of luck in your quest.
Posted by YOYOY

missed this last night..

poker abbreviations: http://www.texas-holdem-poker.me.uk/internet-poker-abbreviations.html

yeah, the maths can be a bit boring for some, but its nice to be able to prove mathematically what the correct move is (assuming you have made correct assumptions about the villains range etc).

I'd also like to reitterate what you have said about the sky community - full of nice people, even if they do like a good moan sometimes (we are british, what do you expect?!)

lastly, sorry for taking an hour of your life...

chicknMelt · November 2013

probably the most interesting hand from last night... wouldnt mind peoples thoughts on it.

1st point to make is that I have been experimenting with 3bet sizing, especially when OOP - I know it may seem a little large to some

Ok, to set the scene, hero is around 2nd or 3rd in chips with 9 or 10 remaining. BB is chip leader. I have been accumilating chips. I had what I think are good reasons for playing the way I did...

Hand History #713991597 (23:49 25/11/2013)

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
chicknMelt	Small blind		300.00	300.00	28787.50
P1st3v0	Big blind		600.00	900.00	48249.23
	Your hole cards	9 A
tallytink	Fold
NooGooood	Fold
Jack3010	Fold
Fat_Uncle	Raise		1600.00	2500.00	10508.25
chicknMelt	Raise		5300.00	7800.00	23487.50
P1st3v0	Call		5000.00	12800.00	43249.23
Fat_Uncle	Fold
Flop
		2 7 4
chicknMelt	Check
P1st3v0	Bet		10000.00	22800.00	33249.23
chicknMelt	Fold
P1st3v0	Muck
P1st3v0	Win		12800.00		46049.23
P1st3v0	Return		10000.00	0.00	56049.23

gazza127 · November 2013

In Response to Re: Can a chicken go pro?:

probably the most interesting hand from last night... wouldnt mind peoples thoughts on it. 1st point to make is that I have been experimenting with 3bet sizing, especially when OOP - I know it may seem a little large to some Ok, to set the scene, hero is around 2nd or 3rd in chips with 9 or 10 remaining. BB is chip leader. I have been accumilating chips. Hand History #713991597 (23:49 25/11/2013) Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance chicknMelt Small blind 300.00 300.00 28787.50 P1st3v0 Big blind 600.00 900.00 48249.23 Your hole cards 9 A tallytink Fold NooGooood Fold Jack3010 Fold Fat_Uncle Raise 1600.00 2500.00 10508.25 chicknMelt Raise 5300.00 7800.00 23487.50 P1st3v0 Call 5000.00 12800.00 43249.23 Fat_Uncle Fold Flop 2 7 4 chicknMelt Check P1st3v0 Bet 10000.00 22800.00 33249.23 chicknMelt Fold P1st3v0 Muck P1st3v0 Win 12800.00 46049.23 P1st3v0 Return 10000.00 0.00 56049.23
Posted by chicknMelt

Im confused. You reraise big pre with a suited ace. Some would say too big... but meh its ok.

You then hit pretty much your dream flop and c/f??

I'd be c-betting all day long. And if he jams... meh id probably go with it.

Although im happy to peel suited aces OOP rather than 3 bet more often than not, unless villain has been raising every button.

GELDY · November 2013

In Response to Re: Can a chicken go pro?:

probably the most interesting hand from last night... wouldnt mind peoples thoughts on it. 1st point to make is that I have been experimenting with 3bet sizing, especially when OOP - I know it may seem a little large to some Ok, to set the scene, hero is around 2nd or 3rd in chips with 9 or 10 remaining. BB is chip leader. I have been accumilating chips. I had what I think are good reasons for playing the way I did... Hand History #713991597 (23:49 25/11/2013) Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance chicknMelt Small blind 300.00 300.00 28787.50 P1st3v0 Big blind 600.00 900.00 48249.23 Your hole cards 9 A tallytink Fold NooGooood Fold Jack3010 Fold Fat_Uncle Raise 1600.00 2500.00 10508.25 chicknMelt Raise 5300.00 7800.00 23487.50 P1st3v0 Call 5000.00 12800.00 43249.23 Fat_Uncle Fold Flop 2 7 4 chicknMelt Check P1st3v0 Bet 10000.00 22800.00 33249.23 chicknMelt Fold P1st3v0 Muck P1st3v0 Win 12800.00 46049.23 P1st3v0 Return 10000.00 0.00 56049.23
Posted by chicknMelt

you have the NFD and you give away the hand on the flop!

his flat pre doesn't have to signify super strength given your table image and his stack size.

don't you have to c-bet the flop and re-evaluate on his action.

or have you been caught c-bet folding too often that you think he'll try to steal it away from you anyway.

in which case save the 3-bets for when you have position.

chicknMelt · November 2013

ok, I better explain my thinking...

I 3bet prett big (maybe too big, but as I say, experimenting) - the bb flats...he hasn't done this with any of my other 3bets... so something is fishy.

i check the flop planning to shove over a raise (if he bet around half pot, I have the perfect stack to shove with) - he has been betting every time i check to him, but he makes his raise huuge, like almost pot, and almost certainly wont be folding to a shove.

My thinking is that it was too likely he had an overpair to the board, if its above 99, then I dont have as many outs as you'd think...

I didnt want to take such a high varience line, when I have been happily accumilating chips, and can fold and still have a very playable stack, bigger than average...

F_Ivanovic · November 2013

I hate giving advice to someone obviously better than me at tournaments but I really don't think you should be 3-betting this hand (to this size) if you are going to c/f flop! I guess your plan was to c/r to a reasonable sized bet but figure villain is never folding to a shove after he sizes this way and that you're probably up vs an OP where you have 46% equity. Yes, it would be annoying to go out now after sitting on a comfortable stack but I don't think we can throw away a MINIMUM of 46% equity when we only need 39.5% equity to get it in profitably. I said minimum because there's a chance he might have a KcQc, KcJc type hand which we dominate plus he could potentially still be b/f even with that sizing.

If we win this pot we close to guarantee a top 3 finish 80% of the time and should win it somewhat often. (30%?)

chicknMelt · November 2013

i thought this hand would be contraversial hehe.

@ivanovic - yeah, I realised I would be giving up a bit of equity in this specific hand, but I really felt comfortable with being able to rebuild pretty quickly....

gazza127 · November 2013

In Response to Re: Can a chicken go pro?:

i thought this hand would be contraversial hehe. @ivanovic - yeah, I realised I would be giving up a bit of equity in this specific hand, but I really felt comfortable with being able to rebuild pretty quickly....
Posted by chicknMelt

I just dont get why youd 3 bet with this hand pre, hit your dream flop and check/fold. Id definitely 100% be c-betting here and wouldnt even care if he jams. If he calls and you miss then it becomes trickier but im still definitely taking the initiative on the flop, but yes I think the better line is to peel the button raise unless hes been stealing blinds galore and will barrel most flops.

gazza127 · November 2013

Im actually really disliking the reraise pre now that ive noticed villains stack size. What if he 4 bet shoves?

chicknMelt · November 2013

In Response to Re: Can a chicken go pro?:

In Response to Re: Can a chicken go pro? : I just dont get why youd 3 bet with this hand pre, hit your dream flop and check/fold. Id definitely 100% be c-betting here and wouldnt even care if he jams. If he calls and you miss then it becomes trickier but im still definitely taking the initiative on the flop, but yes I think the better line is to peel the button raise unless hes been stealing blinds galore and will barrel most flops.
Posted by gazza127

99% of the time I would cbet, but this time, i was 100% sure the villain was going to bet, and I would earn more chips by check shoving. also, I dont think he is ever folding to a cbet, after calling the 3bet and that board, this way, i would maximise my fold equity, and get to see all the cards if he calls.

I dont have a sb flat range vs a button open, I hate flatting in the SB - you have a capped range and it encourages the bb to flat - so your playing OOP vs 2 people with a capped range - not good.

GELDY · November 2013

In Response to Re: Can a chicken go pro?:

Im actually really disliking the reraise pre now that ive noticed villains stack size. What if he 4 bet shoves?
Posted by gazza127

i'm guessing he has always folded to Chickn's 3-bets

so until he fights back still worth a try

but with that flop it has to be a c-bet

or c/r as intended

all his big raise on the flop is doing is telling you that you have given him an opening to take the pot and he is going to make it as hard as possible for you to stop him. would you expect him to raise small with his stack?

chicknMelt · November 2013

In Response to Re: Can a chicken go pro?:

Im actually really disliking the reraise pre now that ive noticed villains stack size. What if he 4 bet shoves?
Posted by gazza127

I call obv, but reluctantly, and fold to a shove from the BB. if the BB had < 20 bb, I'm just shoving.

**edit** - the 3bet raise was meant to be the minimum to indicate to the button I wasnt folding, whilst not commiting my stack incase the BB shoves over the top

chicknMelt · November 2013

In Response to Re: Can a chicken go pro?:

In Response to Re: Can a chicken go pro? : i'm guessing he has always folded to Chickn's 3-bets so until he fights back still worth a try but with that flop it has to be a c-bet or c/r as intended all his big raise on the flop is doing is telling you that you have given him an opening to take the pot and he is going to make it as hard as possible for you to stop him. would you expect him to raise small with his stack?
Posted by GELDY

no, i'd just expect him to make a standard raise - something around half pot. its normal at this stage to bet less than half pot, regardless of how big your stack is.

If i did think he was going to bet that big, I would have cbet.

BorinLoner · November 2013

I've been directed here to look at this hand. It is indeed generating conversation.

I think we need to have better reasoning behind our 3-bet sizing than "experimenting". Presumably there's a reason why you thought this sizing was better than smaller or bigger.

I'd agree with Gazza about not wanting to 3-bet against the BTN's stack, though. If we 3-bet, unless we go really small, we're pretty well committed to calling off the rest. That allows the villain to play easy poker against us. Assuming he's not going to level himself into shoving weaker Aces too often, we're never getting it in ahead. I don't mind 3-betting if his opening range is really wide, though, as long as he's going to fold a lot of the time. However, we definitely don't need to be going to this large a size as we can leverage our stack against him with a really small 3-bet.

The flop is tough to understand. The only thing I can think of is that you're overestimating your edge. I don't think an edge can ever allow us to pass up such clearly +EV spots. This isn't a marginal situation with the equity our hand has.

I don't particularly like checking the flop. We have a read that the villain is going to bet every time we check but if that bet can leave us with no fold equity, we don't want to be inducing that bet with just a draw, particularly if we can't always be confident in going with the hand. I think we should be leading.

Even after checking, I think we have far too much equity to just fold, as I said above.

BorinLoner · November 2013

Just want to pick up on something posted while I was typing...

Flatting a button raise from the small blind doesn't need to cap your range. There are really good arguments for flatting the top of our range against a wide open from the button.

Can a chicken go pro?

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Hand History #713991597 (23:49 25/11/2013)