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Ha, I got proper owned in the first one, I should have folded really I guess. Kings play really badly, I very rarely play them, but I had an emergency low (A-4) so I went with it hoping you had a strong low I suppose. I was probably "pressing" too hard, too soon, & paid the bill. As you may have noticed, I generally sit quiet early, then I have a gear change moment, & I think I went too soon here.
It's amazing how often we run into Aces in this game. I should deffo have given you more credit for your re-raise though. Yet another lesson learned the hard way, but that lesson will be cheap in the long run.
In the other one, v Eon, you just got very unlucky. He was in shocking shape on the flop, wayyy behind, & needed to hit a 2 outer to beat you.
It's a very interesting spot actually, because our ranges are weighted far more towards the low hand in these spots, & it was quite a brave move by Eon with 2nd pair, & who, I suppose, had you on a strong low. He plays low hands VERY strongly, too.
Think you played it perfectly, just one of those ones where we get turned over by someone who thinks they are in front.
It's spots like that which make me gasp when I see players run up winning streaks of 15 or 20 games, we need to get seriously lucky to avoid coolers like this.
Whizzzzzzzyyyyy.
Great to see you here. About time too, too.
This section is for Hand Analysis, tips, etc, for general banterage, we have 2 threads on the go;
1) The first is by the odious MacacGir1, who is running a £25 Challenge. Most of us congregate there for bants. Her thread is HERE
2) My own sort of Diary/Challenge thing continues, edging forward almost penny by penny, in F1 terms I'd be a McLaren. At this rate, I'll be able to retire in 137 years. That is HERE
But worry not, we can solve your problem very very EASILY. (More follows....)
When your first table opens today, do this;
1) Go to "OPTIONS" (top left of table)
2) Then you see a drop down menu, go to "DISPLAY"
3) Another drop down menu will appear, go to "TABLE OPTIONS"
4) Select "SHOW HAND DESCRIPTION"
What will then happen, on all your tables forever more, is that your hand value will be shown in the middle of the Table, just below the Community Cards.
Now, in PLO8, of course, it has to show TWO hand descriptions - "High" & "Low".
What will happen is that it shows them one after the other, & changes every 5 seconds or so. To speed that up, just hover your mouse over the hand description, & it immediately changes to the alternate (High or Low).
It's really useful when you are not quite sure.
It also has the bonus, if you are unclear as to your low, of showing "NONE" when you don't have a low, as often happens when you get counterfeited.
"Counterrfeited" is when you hit low cards you did not want to hit, which can kill your low.
it can often be the case that we have, say, A-2, & are chasing the low, and an Ace or 2 rivers, & kills our low.
As a general tip, don't chase lows too hard. In many cases, you are being freerolled, because you can ONLY get your chips back, & might not even do that if the low misses.
In PLO8, the most common errors are over-valuing Low hands, & limping too much.
Hope that helps.
The vey first £11 one I played, 4 of us ended up all-in very first hand, 3 of us had the wheel, & some guy had the high, so us wheelers got sixthed.
It's a tough spot sometimes to fold a wheel multiway, as it MIGHT be that the others are all on the high, but it's pretty rare, as most people's hands are weighted towards the low.
I won an £11 last night after doubling first hand when my man got it all in with A-2-6-7. On the very first hand, yikes. I just sat out then & coasted to the win. Folded Aces pre 3 times, too, had no need to get involved, as it was always against the other big stack. I did pot it once more with really good aces, & was attacking the Shortie, two to my left. And the Big Stack, sat between us, re-potted it & so Shortie folded. Groan.....
So I folded, & he says "nicking were you?"
What can you say?
Have to say, I ran unbelievably hot last night, won 21 from, 30 & made £57.60. Don't have many nights like that.
I think to myself if I could make that every night, it would amount to x per year, & I could play full time, give up work, da de da. I made £30 on Monday, too, proper upswing is - or was - in progress. But then, you know how it is, it smacks us in the face the next night & we do all of it back. And so it goes on, 3 steps forward, 2 steps back.
Guess it's why we love the game so much.
I think what has top be my favourite aspect of this lovely variant is the fact that the 2 most problematic hands are also the 2 you most want to see. And that is AAxx(especially bad aces) and A2xx.
Unlike in holdem when you know you are 80-90% favourite preflop, here you are never much than 65%. And these 2 hands in particular tend to end 1 of three ways. Losing a big pot, winning a small pot or chopping.
So my advice. With bad aces and A2xx(no decent Hi option) first couple of levels just fold and save your chips. Later on bad aces can grow in value but definitely not at 10/20 or 15/30.
Maybe this is a bit too tight for some but as far as i can see chips not over the line cant be lost
Be very selective with starting hands, try to get "balanced" hands (high & low), hands such as A-K-2-3, A-Q-2-3, those sort of hands. Low only hands will cost you money.
Preserve your chips until it gets to 100-200 or 150-300, then when you find a nice balanced hand, pot it - DO NOT LIMP. Limping lets other players freeroll you. By raising, you get better hands to pass, & often take it down without a call.
Where possible, be a raiser not a caller.