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(The Imaginatively Titled) Orford Poker Journal 2015

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  • RICHORFORDRICHORFORD
    edited April 2015
    In Response to Re: (The Imaginatively Titled) Orford Poker Journal 2015:
    hi richard, it compares heads and points.  those with a strong ratio of heads to points earned are the most fearless.  those with strong points and few heads per game are value players.  there is a minimum threshhold to ensure there is a reasonable confidence in the results and to give interpretations that are quite reliable. you seem to do well in the lower table.  fearless is not your middle name. https://www.skypoker.com/secure/poker/sky_lobby?action=show_static&page=poker_community_forums&plckForumPage=ForumDiscussion&plckDiscussionId=Cat%3a57795ac2-1793-4377-b4cf-e124b0f555f4Forum%3adf77f82c-151f-4bea-aae1-fb423dcae1faDiscussion%3a98bcb0e6-af1c-49aa-b87d-63cbac45fcf9&plckShowLatestPost=1
    Posted by aussie09
    Thanks for that Rob.

    So, if I am to interpret the table correctly- I am in the top ten players on the site in 2015 for finishing as high as possible whilst taking the fewest heads possible in Bounty Hunters.

    Yes?

    So it's not necessarily a damning indictment of my poker but it does indicate an 'extreme' style in these formats which not many people adhere to i.e. taking the uber-cautious approach and not risking my tournament life to take heads.

    If anything, it probably proves that BH's aren't for me as I'm missing out on half the prize pool because I don't take many heads. That said, if I consistently cash in them, maybe they are.

    Any thoughts?

    Maybe, I'm just spin-doctoring the facts. Maybe it shows I'm woeful at Bounty Hunters. How does anyone else interpret my place on that particular table? Would love to know, as it's clearly telling me something major about my game.
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  • aussie09aussie09
    edited April 2015
    In Response to Re: (The Imaginatively Titled) Orford Poker Journal 2015:
    In Response to Re: (The Imaginatively Titled) Orford Poker Journal 2015 : Thanks for that Rob. So, if I am to interpret the table correctly- I am in the top ten players on the site in 2015 for finishing as high as possible whilst taking the fewest heads possible in Bounty Hunters. Yes? So it's not necessarily a damning indictment of my poker but it does indicate an 'extreme' style in these formats which not many people adhere to i.e. taking the uber-cautious approach and not risking my tournament life to take heads. If anything, it probably proves that BH's aren't for me as I'm missing out on half the prize pool because I don't take many heads. That said, if I consistently cash in them, maybe they are. Any thoughts? Maybe, I'm just spin-doctoring the facts. Maybe it shows I'm woeful at Bounty Hunters. How does anyone else interpret my place on that particular table? Would love to know, as it's clearly telling me something major about my game.
    Posted by RICHORFORD
    yes.  when you compare heads per game to points per game you are at one end of the list of people.  for the whole of 2015 so far, you are at the opposite end to those who are fearless, opposite to those who take many heads yet don't last long.  you are amongst those who play well yet do so without taking bounties. 

    no, not a damning indictment.  quite a compliment.  a distinction. 

    however, it indicates that you might be too cautious and/or that you are playing sub-optimally and could gain by shoving more often rather than going to value town.

    interpreting this, if i were playing against you, i would not worry greatly about calling your shoves.  that is if they ever happen.  i could probably bluff you off pots more. 

    it shows that you are a good, cautious, competent player.  it shows that you might improve your returns by increasing your bet sizing.

    it might be that you are too scared of the antics of those who shove short stacked.  maybe you give them far too much credit for their shoves.

    it could be that you play very few BHs but that's not really going to the case as there are only 6 freezeouts amongst the 200 mtts every week.  so discard that as an explanation.  playing BHs but not taking heads is not necessarily bad either, well as long as you cash more often.

    add to this the information we know from seeing your player card.  do you recall?  it was most odd that you had zero quarter 4 finishes.  either late registering and/or uber-cautious?  adding all these clues together my interpretation is that you have a big upside and a small downside to your game.  risk more by increasing your bet size and go in for the kill more decisively.

    but then, what do i know?



     
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  • RICHORFORDRICHORFORD
    edited April 2015
    In Response to Re: (The Imaginatively Titled) Orford Poker Journal 2015:
    In Response to Re: (The Imaginatively Titled) Orford Poker Journal 2015 : yes.  when you compare heads per game to points per game you are at one end of the list of people.  for the whole of 2015 so far, you are at the opposite end to those who are fearless, opposite to those who take many heads yet don't last long.  you are amongst those who play well yet do so without taking bounties.  no, not a damning indictment.  quite a compliment.  a distinction.  however, it indicates that you might be too cautious and/or that you are playing sub-optimally and could gain by shoving more often rather than going to value town. interpreting this, if i were playing against you, i would not worry greatly about calling your shoves.  that is if they ever happen.  i could probably bluff you off pots more.  it shows that you are a good, cautious, competent player.  it shows that you might improve your returns by increasing your bet sizing. it might be that you are too scared of the antics of those who shove short stacked.  maybe you give them far too much credit for their shoves. it could be that you play very few BHs but that's not really going to the case as there are only 6 freezeouts amongst the 200 mtts every week.  so discard that as an explanation.  playing BHs but not taking heads is not necessarily bad either, well as long as you cash more often. add to this the information we know from seeing your player card.  do you recall?  it was most odd that you had zero quarter 4 finishes.  either late registering and/or uber-cautious?  adding all these clues together my interpretation is that you have a big upside and a small downside to your game.  risk more by increasing your bet size and go in for the kill more decisively. but then, what do i know?  
    Posted by aussie09

    Really interesting. Thanks Rob. I'm glad we don't allow HUD software on Sky Poker, so it's a level playing field. But that all said, using the stats we do have, you can really spot patterns and strengths/weaknesses in your game if you spend the time to look at it.

    Bit like the movie 'Moneyball', which I think you would like.

    I'm going to take on board your advice and increase my bet sizes and take short stack shoves less seriously. 

    Can you leave me an address for my compensation claim when it all goes horribly wrong? ;-)

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  • aussie09aussie09
    edited April 2015
    In Response to Re: (The Imaginatively Titled) Orford Poker Journal 2015:
    In Response to Re: (The Imaginatively Titled) Orford Poker Journal 2015 : Really interesting. Thanks Rob. I'm glad we don't allow HUD software on Sky Poker, so it's a level playing field. But that all said, using the stats we do have, you can really spot patterns and strengths/weaknesses in your game if you spend the time to look at it. Bit like the movie 'Moneyball', which I think you would like. I'm going to take on board your advice and increase my bet sizes and take short stack shoves less seriously.  Can you leave me an address for my compensation claim when it all gos horribly wrong? ;-)
    Posted by RICHORFORD
    my pleasure rich.

    in summary...

    carry on playing your game in the same way.  don't change.
    spot those pesky short stack shoves and give them less respect
    stop wounding so many people, kill some of them instead.

    compensation claims to aussie09@pokerinjuryclaims4u.com

    actually, as a pretend thing, i will take 10% of your action (not really, just pretending remember) in all the £500 guaranteed tournament that you play on skypoker over the next month.  there will be 800, no doubt you will play a dozen or so.  see how you do.  it is a big enough sample. 

    many of us know that you are a good poker player but i know that you would not make a good serial killer.  as i used to say to the kray twins, up your strike rate.  

    i will send the boys round at the end of may for my 10%.




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  • aussie09aussie09
    edited April 2015

    just read wikipedia on moneyball.  looks interesting. 



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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited April 2015
    In Response to Re: (The Imaginatively Titled) Orford Poker Journal 2015:
    In Response to Re: (The Imaginatively Titled) Orford Poker Journal 2015 : my pleasure rich. in summary... carry on playing your game in the same way.  don't change. spot those pesky short stack shoves and give them less respect stop wounding so many people, kill some of them instead. compensation claims to aussie09@pokerinjuryclaims4u.com actually, as a pretend thing, i will take 10% of your action (not really, just pretending remember) in all the £500 guaranteed tournament that you play on skypoker over the next month.  there will be 800, no doubt you will play a dozen or so.  see how you do.  it is a big enough sample.  many of us know that you are a good poker player but i know that you would not make a good serial killer.  as i used to say to the kray twins, up your strike rate.   i will send the boys round at the end of may for my 10%.
    Posted by aussie09
    hes come on leaps and bounds(you taking lessons Rich)

    Rich, have you taken the game more seriously if you have it shows wp m8
    bet Tikay,s cringing :)
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  • RICHORFORDRICHORFORD
    edited April 2015
    Cheers guys.

    Definitely seen a marked improvement in my play this year. 

    No lessons per se, other than the hundreds of hours listening to pros in the studio. 

    Although if you told someone you'd spent anything up to 15 hours a week for years in the presense of professionals analysing their specialist subject (be it poker, archictecture, karate, hang-gliding, the French language,whatever) using other people to watch or from time to time your own performance, I think that would count as lessons!
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  • MaggiesdadMaggiesdad
    edited April 2015
    That does not explain the big question: how exactly did your lot manage to get a point yesterday?
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  • RICHORFORDRICHORFORD
    edited April 2015
    In Response to Re: (The Imaginatively Titled) Orford Poker Journal 2015:
    That does not explain the big question: how exactly did your lot manage to get a point yesterday?
    Posted by Maggiesdad
    Ha! Good question, Mike. 

    By playing a team with an ancient captain who's becoming an increasing liability, an injury-prone striker who's never on the pitch, a promising midfielder who looks more interested in money and hippy crack and a massive hole in the squad from last year that happens to the same size and shape as Louis Suarez. That's how. ;-)


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  • RICHORFORDRICHORFORD
    edited May 2015
    Thought that next decent cash was never gonna come!

    Still playing weekly- that's weekly not weakly, although some may beg to differ.

    But had taken a dip in results recently. Still going on deep runs, as I did once again tonight in the main and mini. Chipleader for a decent spell in the main, but ran out of juice about 30 off the bubble. Only a total of one rebuy and two add-ons required though for both events. So not totally shabby.

    And bubbled the early evening satellite for the £55 BH, although it wasn't the pure bubble so got my money back at least.

    So, my last roll of the dice was the £55 speed BH which I entered through late reg with about 2 minutes left. Anyway, to cut a long story short...

    Player NameChipsRankPrizeHeadsValue
          
    Lambert1802450001£453.25 + £219.75 Head Prizes5 
    RicOrford02£269.50 + £167.12 Head Prizes5

    Beaten heads-up by Mr Twitch himself, Paul Lambert!

    And here's the new Sharkscope showing a healthy-looking return to something near profit. 

    -£124 down on my entire 8 year Sky Poker MTT career after 481 tournaments. I can live with that. Especially as the graph is showing signs of continual improvement rather than decline.

    Loving my poker at the mo!


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  • Tikay10Tikay10
    edited May 2015


    Ridiculous.

    Utterly ridic.      
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  • Tikay10Tikay10
    edited May 2015

    In case my comments are misconstrued, I suppose I should grudgingly add "well done".
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  • Tikay10Tikay10
    edited May 2015

    ish
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  • MAXALLYMAXALLY
    edited May 2015



    Well done Lambo ! (and Rich, ofc) ;)
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  • aussie09aussie09
    edited May 2015


    excellent rich.



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  • rainman397rainman397
    edited May 2015
    Congratulations Mr Orford.
    All the best.
    Rainman397.
    p.s Has anyone mentioned the £2.20 @2.20 deepstack yet.
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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited May 2015
    Nice one, Rich. Keep up the good work.
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  • waller02waller02
    edited May 2015
    Well played!

    To follow on from rainman's post..........why don't you reg for today's 2.20 @ 2.20 to show us all how its done. Unless you're busy (scared) of course.
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  • LmfaoAllinLmfaoAllin
    edited May 2015
    In Response to Re: (The Imaginatively Titled) Orford Poker Journal 2015:
    Ridiculous. Utterly ridic.  
    Posted by Tikay10
    Ha ha hint of jealousy there? Has the student become the teacher...hmmm

    Or are you being genuine and really mean ridiculously good : )

    Nice cash Rich, wp
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  • Tikay10Tikay10
    edited May 2015
    In Response to Re: (The Imaginatively Titled) Orford Poker Journal 2015:
    In Response to Re: (The Imaginatively Titled) Orford Poker Journal 2015 : Ha ha hint of jealousy there? Has the student become the teacher...hmmm Or are you being genuine and really mean ridiculously good : ) Nice cash Rich, wp
    Posted by LmfaoAllin
    I definitely don't mean ridiculously good. Ridic lucky, maybe.

    But I'm not in the least bitter.
     
    Truth is, his game has improved out of all recognition, & I'm chuffed to bits. Well, a bit chuffed. Ish.       
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  • MilitantGMilitantG
    edited May 2015
    Well done Orford, tell us about your HU experience with Lambo!
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  • LmfaoAllinLmfaoAllin
    edited May 2015
    In Response to Re: (The Imaginatively Titled) Orford Poker Journal 2015:
    In Response to Re: (The Imaginatively Titled) Orford Poker Journal 2015 : I definitely don't mean ridiculously good. Ridic lucky, maybe. But I'm not in the least bitter.   Truth is, his game has improved out of all recognition, & I'm chuffed to bits. Well, a bit chuffed. Ish.    
    Posted by Tikay10
    Haha, 1 outer on the river lucky!! Pure unfiltered skill that : )

    No I didn't think you bitter at all, my comment was made in jest 're dynamic between you two.

    And yes he is a nuisance on the tables of late : ) 
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  • RICHORFORDRICHORFORD
    edited May 2015
    In Response to Re: (The Imaginatively Titled) Orford Poker Journal 2015:
    Well played! To follow on from rainman's post..........why don't you reg for today's 2.20 @ 2.20 to show us all how its done. Unless you're busy (scared) of course.
    Posted by waller02
    Lol! I guess no-one's told you that I already played in Rainman's 2.20 @ 2.20.

    Just the once, mind you.

    I'll let Rainman tell you what happened. ;-)
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  • RICHORFORDRICHORFORD
    edited May 2015
    Cheers for the messages lads. 

    I'm not claiming to be the best player, but I could definitely make an argument for most improved in 2015 (relative to pre-2015).

    Although, tbf it was from a pretty low starting point!

    Tikay- I love you. Ish.
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  • waller02waller02
    edited May 2015
    In Response to Re: (The Imaginatively Titled) Orford Poker Journal 2015:
    In Response to Re: (The Imaginatively Titled) Orford Poker Journal 2015 : Lol! I guess no-one's told you that I already played in Rainman's 2.20 @ 2.20. Just the once, mind you. I'll let Rainman tell you what happened. ;-)
    Posted by RICHORFORD
    Yeah you won if I remember correctly??

    Think we should get a bit of Friday fun going tomorrow though. It's my last day off work and I have been playing it all week, great daytime mtt. If you play it would attract a big field! Up for it?

    Congrats again on the cash anyway and hopefully see you at 2.20 tomorrow haha
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  • Tikay10Tikay10
    edited May 2015


    Explain;


    MattBates2550001£471.75 + £424.19 Head Prizes10
    ctbn02£280.50 + £23.44 Head Prizes1
    Lambert18003£191.25 + £51.57 Head Prizes2
    RicOrford04£140.25 + £18.75 Head Prizes1
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  • aussie09aussie09
    edited May 2015
    In Response to Re: (The Imaginatively Titled) Orford Poker Journal 2015:
    Explain; MattBates 255000 1 £471.75 + £424.19 Head Prizes 10 ctbn 0 2 £280.50 + £23.44 Head Prizes 1 Lambert180 0 3 £191.25 + £51.57 Head Prizes 2 RicOrford 0 4 £140.25 + £18.75 Head Prizes 1
    Posted by Tikay10

    matt, colin and paul got lucky?




     
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  • MattBatesMattBates
    edited May 2015
    In Response to Re: (The Imaginatively Titled) Orford Poker Journal 2015:
    In Response to Re: (The Imaginatively Titled) Orford Poker Journal 2015 : matt, colin and paul got lucky?  
    Posted by aussie09
    It was his fault, he got it in v me and gave me 3 outs!
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  • RICHORFORDRICHORFORD
    edited May 2015
    In Response to Re: (The Imaginatively Titled) Orford Poker Journal 2015:
    In Response to Re: (The Imaginatively Titled) Orford Poker Journal 2015 : It was his fault, he got it in v me and gave me 3 outs!
    Posted by MattBates

    Yes, I rather inconsiderately called Matt's perfectly reasonable shove with K-6 off...with a paltry A-6. 

    To be fair, I had only had one card better, and it was better only by one 'place', so I deserved Matt hitting one of the many outs available to him on the river. I think it was as many as three, if memory serves me correctly.

    I would draw people's attention once more to the insanely high position I can reach in a bounty hunter without actually hunting any bounties...which many people believe to be the entire point of the format.

    I took one head for £18. The guy who finished below me I think took £140 in head prizes.

    Yes, I like to mix things up and be unorthodox. Or should that be unorfordox?

    Came 20th out of over 500 in the mini too.

    Tikay, my coaching offer stands...
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  • GELDYGELDY
    edited May 2015
    Rich, 
    1. vwp
    2. you should practice taking bounties

    there is a tournament every day called the headhunter where all the prize pool is on heads. 

    i remember one game last year where I finished 6/64 with only 1 head which left me with a £2 loss! although the guy who  went out in 3rd had none. guess he picked the wrong tournament to go deep in. another time i won it for £53 (£5 entry) with 3 heads, but with 10 left I was the only player without any. the moral of the story is that late heads are very valuable, so no need to panic early on. that being said there are spots where you can isolate and induce small stack shoves and it is worth looking out for those.

    so give it a go and practice

    Starts At
    22:05
    Late Reg for
    20 Minutes
    Buy-In
    £5 + £0.50
    Prize Pool
    £0
    Registered
    0 / 1000
    Chips
    2000
    Blind Limits
    5 Minutes

    Try our Brand New Sky Head Hunter tournament where there is no prize pool just bounties and you take 60% of the head-prize of whoever you knock out. The other 40% is added to your head prize. Please leave feedback in the forum.

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