While it might have been a nitty BRM wise at first, playing a lot at the lower levels definitely just gave me a chance to improve my game and get a lot of the basics fine tuned pretty cheaply.
Hmm, I thought my PPs, seemed a bit low yesterday for the volume I put in. Seems I was so tired last night that I mis-read an 8 for a 6.
So I actually earned 560 points yesterday, which sets me in good stead to go for Priority next month because I know I'll be having probably 7-10 days of the month without playing.
Felt pretty rubbish last night, the beginnings of man-flu obv and this morning I woke up feeling like death so definitely no poker for me today. Might post up a few hands though from last night.
Cheers for the input TPTP. Yeah I definitely agree with the fact my BRM requirements on the nitty side to say the least at first but it didn't take me too long to loosen up a bit, and I was playing 20NL with like £500 which ok isn't really aggro BRM but much better than I originally planned, and I'm obv playing 30NL now with 1k. I definitely agree with the not moving up for a bit, and I think I'm at a good level now to be able to grind out some decent profits with a relatively safe roll. Yeah I know what ya mean, and I am getting out the habit of being stubborn and just thinking 'no I'm gonna stick with it and figure out how to beat this guy no matter what position he has on me'. And I'm definitely advocating (and always have really) Channing's tip abuot it not mattering if you're the best player on the table, you just find the weaker players and attack them over and over. Posted by Lambert180
Does that mean i,m a megga nit? - Hardly even touch NL20 . personally i may be wrong but we,ve got simlar Br,s although you do play more than me - i think its to high to be multi-ing at NL30
Ps - having said that - It depends who,s on the table - I had 1 session the other night at NL50 (£15 capped) and it was like a 2p 4p game with ppl tilting going all in every hand (also got the bad bts like in 2p -4p as well )
Depends on your comfortability with loosing the money I guess. To me i hate the idea of playing excessive rake so with a passive bankroll strat this could shave £'s off your winrate imo that will all add up and i would rather put that towards getting rolled to table select £100nl-300nl when the right time comes.
But to be fair i shouldn't really be giving advice on BRM as i started playing 50nl with 16bis just 4-6tablin and i play pure cash, without hypers or donkaments or satiliites... so i guess its diff situations. not trying to brag btw
@MP33 - Tbh, I think it's really up to you, when I first started this I said I would get up to 50BIs for the next level before moving up, so play 4NL until I have £400 (50 BIs for 8NL), then play 8NL until I have £500, and so on, and I got slated for it. Looking back it was ridiculously nitty imo but I fell somewhere inbetween my original plan and the opinion of others, so think I was playing 10NL with about £300, and 20NL with about £500+
With regards to multi-tabling and my BR... imo I'm playing few enough tables that it's not really having a detrimental effect on my game, I'm still playing pretty much exactly as I would with 1 table just the hands happen faster. Also I'm happy to take the step down if required, I'd probably drop back down to 20NL for a bit until I rebuilt if I dropped to say £800.
Having said that, 300 BIs for playing 4NL is abuot as nitty as it gets lol but as Tikay always says, loads of people seem to have it built into them that they HAVE to move up in stakes, if you don't want to, then just don't.
@TPTP - Yeah, think this was the turning point for me, I had like £300 and was being really nitty with my BR and just realised that actually losing the money wouldn't mean that much to me, granted it sucks a bit, but it wouldn't affect my real life or anything. And others have also pointed out to me how staying @ micro stakes too long can really stunt your growth with the really high rake.
Hey lambert, really good to see your positive results. Now you are at £1k br, you really will notice that your starting to get serious rakeback if you put the volume in.
What I am interested to hear is how you cope with neg variance and tilt. Last sunday, I managed to tilt off half my br which was around£ £900 at the time in an evening. Every outdraw possible, a few crazy tv hands had me doing a jj and looking for a nl100 hu opponent getting it in with 89 on a 89 blank flop, running into qq and the river pairing to kill my two pair for £100 quid. Then just playing bad and losing another 1.5 buyins.
I have the mental game of poker, but I think its even deeper than that. I can unravel my personality and understand the flaws but to be brutally honest, its a total lack of discipline, which I can see you have in bundles.
I have built up BR's from £100 to £1-£2k before but its the same result. I dont trust myself not to do exactly the same thing as I did last sunday and I end up cashing out. Soo now I am back to £100! I supposed I shouldnt complain as I generally do not deposit these days.
As for NL30, you hit it at the right time for whatever reasons there arent the regs around at the moment that where playing 6 to a table a few months ago. One thing I would say is the standard at nl30 is pretty high these days, theres a few players working up and a few casual players who are making a nice side income in the evenings.
Hope to be back at nl30 soon, great diary one that I like to keep an eye on.
I think I'm better at handling tilt and negative variance these days but still far far from perfect. One thing is safe to say though, it never leads me to go playing 100NL lol... it just generally makes me play a bit too loose at my current level if anything, but I aint done that for a while.
I also have the mental game of poker but I preferred an audio book I have called The Poker Mindset. Discipline is always something I've been good at, I have the odd lapse like we all do but on the whole I think I'm pretty disciplined.
There are definitely a few very good players @ 30NL but on the whole the games do seems pretty good atm.
Cheers Ace, I think I'm better at handling tilt and negative variance these days but still far far from perfect. One thing is safe to say though, it never leads me to go playing 100NL lol... it just generally makes me play a bit too loose at my current level if anything, but I aint done that for a while. I also have the mental game of poker but I preferred an audio book I have called The Poker Mindset. Discipline is always something I've been good at, I have the odd lapse like we all do but on the whole I think I'm pretty disciplined. There are definitely a few very good players @ 30NL but on the whole the games do seems pretty good atm. Posted by Lambert180
Hey lambert
An audio book sounds perfect. Where did you download it from and how much does it cost. I can work on tilt managment to and from work !
In Response to Re: Lambert180 ----- 20NL to 50NL ----- Target = 50BIs for 50NL by the end of 2013 ----- : Hey lambert An audio book sounds perfect. Where did you download it from and how much does it cost. I can work on tilt managment to and from work ! Cheers Posted by ACEGOONER
To be honest, I'm as nitty in life as I am with my BR so I refuse to pay for music/audio books lol, so I got it somewhere when you don't pay for downloads I can PM you where if you want?
Hey Paul the version i had of that was read by like an auto voice as if someone had typed it all up to be read by one of them computer voice software things and i found it really hard to listen to it, i listen to m,y ipod all the time to and from uni and just couldn't pay attention to the monotone voice. Do you have the same version? or one that is read properly? if so can you pm me or message me on skype, thanks.
Unfortunately I have the same version as you Ben and yeah it was a bit tough to get into at first but after a while you just get used to it.
I don't know how it's done because it's clearly read automatically by a system of some sort because there are a few mistakes like when it's reading the word 'skills' the voice says 'ski, eleven, s' lol but keeps you on ya toes
It wasn't really that hard going and I thought it was worth it. I wish more poker books were in audio form.
Managed to just squeeze in a quick 1hr session of 4tabling before I gotta go do some household stuff. Dunno what's going on cos I've heard the tables are usually super reggy but the tables have been great recently and today was no different.
Think I played 3 x 30NL and 1 x 20NL and made a profit of £52.59 so a very good hour. It was going quite well then 5 mins before standing someone just gifted me a stack by raising a 359r flop to an amount which was clearly committing so I just stuck them in with KK and they snapped me off with A9
Got a decent MTT result tonight but tbh at the moment I'm just feeling a bit deflated it wasn't better. I didn't manage to get through the Semi for the £55 side so I just played the UKOPS Mini + Micro
I bust the Mini not too far away from the cash with £6.93 of heads so at least that covered my BI.
The Mini however went much better, think I played really well throughout and I definitely got lucky in a few spots. The most memorable of which was I think of the last 2 tables V nagrom. I opened AK, he clicks it back and I flat. Flop is something like K76cc, I C/C, turn is a Qs, I check, he jams and I snap him off to see him turn over AA .... river is the K!!
Unlucky Nagrom.
I did already have a big stack by this point and losing still would have left me with like 25xBB but instead I was on 75xBB which put me in great shape to FT.
After that, played well imo, didn't get too out of line which is usually my problem and I end up just getting too aggro against people who are sitting waiting for hands when they start giving me action and I just spew. So not too out of line, but still picking up pots regular, got to the FT quite comfortably. Early exit with just a standard AJ v AK left us with 5 and think I was 2nd or 3rd in chips
Then the hand below happened...
Player
Action
Cards
Amount
Pot
Balance
PlayMe_
Small blind
4000.00
4000.00
81265.50
gartcosh1
Big blind
8000.00
12000.00
161696.25
Your hole cards
Q
Q
supercrazy
Fold
Bossman180
Fold
Lambert180
Raise
16000.00
28000.00
148530.98
PlayMe_
Fold
gartcosh1
Call
8000.00
36000.00
153696.25
Flop
10
5
5
gartcosh1
Check
Lambert180
Bet
15000.00
51000.00
133530.98
gartcosh1
Raise
32000.00
83000.00
121696.25
Lambert180
Call
17000.00
100000.00
116530.98
Turn
4
gartcosh1
Check
Lambert180
Check
River
7
gartcosh1
Bet
56000.00
156000.00
65696.25
Lambert180
Call
56000.00
212000.00
60530.98
gartcosh1
Show
6
A
Lambert180
Show
Q
Q
gartcosh1
Win
Flush to the Ace
212000.00
277696.25
So I was left with about 8xBB and I jammed the button shortly after with 7Thh, called by KJo, flopped a FD, turned a straight draw, bricked the river
PlayMe_ 488772.77 £15.14 Head Prizes 9 £6.03 gartcosh1 293227.23 £15.47 Head Prizes 7 £6.15 Bossman180 0 3 £54.20 + £14.38 Head Prizes 11 supercrazy 0 4 £43.36 + £11.37 Head Prizes 10 Lambert180 0 5 £36.54 + £11.78 Head Prizes 9
Got 9 heads in the end and finished up cashing for £48.32 which aint too shabby for a £2 BI, and I can say I've FT'd a UKOPS event
I opened your table up just before that hand and i was really unsure what he could turn up with, obviously you don't expect 5 when they flat pre and you wouldn't expect any kind of raise on the flop if he has flopped the house with 10s. After he checked the turn back i felt like k10 or a10 was very likely and didn't even really consider he would of minraised the flop with a flush draw and then not led out the turn, maybe going for c/r or c/c line and going to lead out the river. When he bets the river personally i don't think i can find the laydown with Qs as i imagine he would play alot of 10x hands the same way, although i guess the mtt mindset maybe that you can lay it down lose the minimum and hope that your edge over the table will suffice and better spots can be found.
Well done on the cash though very decent for £2.20.
Yeah it was a tricky one Ben, his line looks so valuey but I've underrepped my hand so much, and I'd been fairly aggro so I expected people to start playing back at me eventually. As you say, I pretty much never expect him to have 5x or TT I also don't expect him to have KK/AA, JJ is a slight possibility depending on how tight he is pre but I'm mostly expecting Tx hands like u say.
I did think I had the better of the table tbh, so was very tempted to fold the river given that he isn't bluffing here often I don't think but I felt it was just a bit too nitty with how I'd played it.
Forgot to mention that last night after all the UKOPS games I decided to donate £2.20 to a forum PLO SnG... sadly Hoggers accidently set up a PLO8 game by accident which I'm completely useless at, oh well at least it was fun.
Also, dunno if I've mentioned to you before Ben, I'm gonna be playing my first ever live HU Tourney in a few days. There's HU tourney as part of the WCOAP for APAT at DTD (why so many acronyms in poker!!), £50 BI, capped at 64 runners, so only gotta win 4 HU matches in a row and I'll be HU FTW
I spoke to someone who played it last year and they said it was quite a fast structure which is good for me because I think there will be loads of people who don't fully know how to play a 10-20xBB stack.
Forgot to mention that last night after all the UKOPS games I decided to donate £2.20 to a forum PLO SnG... sadly Hoggers accidently set up a PLO8 game by accident which I'm completely useless at, oh well at least it was fun. Also, dunno if I've mentioned to you before Ben, I'm gonna be playing my first ever live HU Tourney in a few days. There's HU tourney as part of the WCOAP for APAT at DTD (why so many acronyms in poker!!), £50 BI, capped at 64 runners, so only gotta win 4 HU matches in a row and I'll be HU FTW I spoke to someone who played it last year and they said it was quite a fast structure which is good for me because I think there will be loads of people who don't fully know how to play a 10-20xBB stack. Posted by Lambert180
That sounds quality, no idea what all the acronyms mean but i'm guessing dtd is dusk till dawn in nottingham. Still yet to go to a casino have played live locally a few times but only small games, as soon as i finish for the year i wan't go to aspers, will probably blow my roll in one night as i hear the smallest cash games are like 50p-£1 blinds lol. Good luck i'm sure all them hyper games you have played will set you up well for taking it down!
Decided I'd play a couple of MTTs tonight instead of cash so I went to play on the french site.
Played The Hot 3 (basically a 3e Turbo) - Went really deep in that, but as always all the money is on the FT and I didn't quite make it that far. 1600+ started and I finished 66th for 9.40e
I also played a 5euro 6-Max MTT. This got 249 runners and I managed to FT and was running 4/6. One player had a massive amount of the chips in play and was bullying everyone in every single pot. I min-raise A6 on the button, both blinds flat, flop is 265ss, I c-bet fully expecting the aggro player to raise me as he has done to everyone else, he does raise (it virtually puts me all in) I go all-in and he snaps me off with 34 gg me.
Well Emma was playing in a deepstack so I thought I'd have a splash around on the cash tables until she was finished. I played 4 tables of 30NL although about half the time was spent playing HU on 2 of the tables cos we couldnt get a game going (what's that all about on a Friday night!!).
One of the tables where I was playing HU was with Rancid, and I think it must be the first time I've ever come away from a session having won money off Rancid! lol.
Yeah gg u won some and then stood ( hit n run ! Not saying you were scared to continue but you were still playing on other table's ! ) does leave a bitter taste in the mouth when you just leave after winning some monies Posted by rancid
Gotta stick up for Lambert there . Thats online poker. As he said "first time he won against you" . Take it as a compliment that he respects you to much to carry on playing and risk losing
Sorry Rancid, it genuinely wasnt supposed to be a hit and run or anything, I only stood and left cos I saw you sat out and assumed it was cos you were leaving/didnt wanna play HU any more :S
FWIW, I didnt stay very long on the tables at all, was only playing for as long as it took for Emma to bust her deepstack which was about 30-45 mins after I loaded the cash tables IIRC lol (she had been playing for about 1+ hour before that).
Im always happy to play anyone HU to start a table, although you are pretty much bottom of the list of people I want to play HU
No hard feelings I hope, Im definitely not a hit and run artist.
Right well that is the end of March for me, as far as poker is concerned. Excuse the lack of apostrophies in this post but Im at my mums house and that key is broken on her laptop.
I only played tonight because I was 13 points short of 2k points so just wanted to get there, partly cos its just like £5 for no effort but more so just because my OCD means I cant bare to leave it a 1987 points.
Im at my mums where the laptop/internet connection (not sure which) make it impossible to multi table so just wanted to earn the points as quick as possible with the minimum effort, then I dont need to play poker tonight or tomorrow. So I played 4 x £5.25 Hypers and won 3 of them (1 of which was against Donk), then I finished it off with a £1 Hyper (which I won) for OCD purposes to have exactly 2k points.
So a profit of £9.95 tonight and that is March complete.
This has been a really great month for me, certainly my best for a long time. Ive seen my bankroll go from £649.89 to almost double that at £1,163.95 (including C4P) which is an excellent profit of £514.06.
Ive also now spent around 2 weeks at 30NL and over a month at 20NL, its still very early days but I am feeling comfortable with the amounts involved and comfortable with the regs at the level.
Ive made IIRC about 6-7 FTs in March from only around 30 MTTs, no big scores yet but I just gotta keep going deep and they will come. April Targets
1. FINALLY get round to recording me playing a poker session (got the software downloaded now)
2. Achieve Priority - This will be very tough but I like a challenge
3. Dont Tilt! - By far the biggest cause of my losses and VITAL if Im putting in a lot of volume
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While it might have been a nitty BRM wise at first, playing a lot at the lower levels definitely just gave me a chance to improve my game and get a lot of the basics fine tuned pretty cheaply.
So I actually earned 560 points yesterday, which sets me in good stead to go for Priority next month because I know I'll be having probably 7-10 days of the month without playing.
Felt pretty rubbish last night, the beginnings of man-flu obv and this morning I woke up feeling like death so definitely no poker for me today. Might post up a few hands though from last night.
Bankroll: £1,017.63
Poker Points: 1845 (£18.45)
Ps - having said that - It depends who,s on the table - I had 1 session the other night at NL50 (£15 capped) and it was like a 2p 4p game with ppl tilting going all in every hand (also got the bad bts like in 2p -4p as well )
With regards to multi-tabling and my BR... imo I'm playing few enough tables that it's not really having a detrimental effect on my game, I'm still playing pretty much exactly as I would with 1 table just the hands happen faster. Also I'm happy to take the step down if required, I'd probably drop back down to 20NL for a bit until I rebuilt if I dropped to say £800.
Having said that, 300 BIs for playing 4NL is abuot as nitty as it gets lol but as Tikay always says, loads of people seem to have it built into them that they HAVE to move up in stakes, if you don't want to, then just don't.
@TPTP - Yeah, think this was the turning point for me, I had like £300 and was being really nitty with my BR and just realised that actually losing the money wouldn't mean that much to me, granted it sucks a bit, but it wouldn't affect my real life or anything. And others have also pointed out to me how staying @ micro stakes too long can really stunt your growth with the really high rake.
I think I'm better at handling tilt and negative variance these days but still far far from perfect. One thing is safe to say though, it never leads me to go playing 100NL lol... it just generally makes me play a bit too loose at my current level if anything, but I aint done that for a while.
I also have the mental game of poker but I preferred an audio book I have called The Poker Mindset. Discipline is always something I've been good at, I have the odd lapse like we all do but on the whole I think I'm pretty disciplined.
There are definitely a few very good players @ 30NL but on the whole the games do seems pretty good atm.
Otherwise, it's here http://www.amazon.co.uk/Poker-Mindset-The-Ian-Taylor/dp/0974150231/ref=sr_1_cc_2?s=aps&ie=UTF8&qid=1364466924&sr=1-2-catcorr
I don't know how it's done because it's clearly read automatically by a system of some sort because there are a few mistakes like when it's reading the word 'skills' the voice says 'ski, eleven, s' lol but keeps you on ya toes
It wasn't really that hard going and I thought it was worth it. I wish more poker books were in audio form.
Think I played 3 x 30NL and 1 x 20NL and made a profit of £52.59 so a very good hour. It was going quite well then 5 mins before standing someone just gifted me a stack by raising a 359r flop to an amount which was clearly committing so I just stuck them in with KK and they snapped me off with A9
Bankroll: £1,070.22
Poker Points: 1884 (£18.84)
She's playing the Micro and Mini tonight so I might aswell play 'em too. So hopefully I can...
1) Get through the Semi into the £55 Side for £2.40
2) Have a nice bink tonight
I bust the Mini not too far away from the cash with £6.93 of heads so at least that covered my BI.
The Mini however went much better, think I played really well throughout and I definitely got lucky in a few spots. The most memorable of which was I think of the last 2 tables V nagrom. I opened AK, he clicks it back and I flat. Flop is something like K76cc, I C/C, turn is a Qs, I check, he jams and I snap him off to see him turn over AA .... river is the K!!
Unlucky Nagrom.
I did already have a big stack by this point and losing still would have left me with like 25xBB but instead I was on 75xBB which put me in great shape to FT.
After that, played well imo, didn't get too out of line which is usually my problem and I end up just getting too aggro against people who are sitting waiting for hands when they start giving me action and I just spew. So not too out of line, but still picking up pots regular, got to the FT quite comfortably. Early exit with just a standard AJ v AK left us with 5 and think I was 2nd or 3rd in chips
Then the hand below happened...
PlayMe_ 488772.77 £15.14 Head Prizes 9 £6.03
gartcosh1 293227.23 £15.47 Head Prizes 7 £6.15
Bossman180 0 3 £54.20 + £14.38 Head Prizes 11
supercrazy 0 4 £43.36 + £11.37 Head Prizes 10
Lambert180 0 5 £36.54 + £11.78 Head Prizes 9
Got 9 heads in the end and finished up cashing for £48.32 which aint too shabby for a £2 BI, and I can say I've FT'd a UKOPS event
Bankroll: £1,112.17
Poker Points: 1906 (£19.06)
Well done on the cash though very decent for £2.20.
I did think I had the better of the table tbh, so was very tempted to fold the river given that he isn't bluffing here often I don't think but I felt it was just a bit too nitty with how I'd played it.
Also, dunno if I've mentioned to you before Ben, I'm gonna be playing my first ever live HU Tourney in a few days. There's HU tourney as part of the WCOAP for APAT at DTD (why so many acronyms in poker!!), £50 BI, capped at 64 runners, so only gotta win 4 HU matches in a row and I'll be HU FTW
I spoke to someone who played it last year and they said it was quite a fast structure which is good for me because I think there will be loads of people who don't fully know how to play a 10-20xBB stack.
Played The Hot 3 (basically a 3e Turbo) - Went really deep in that, but as always all the money is on the FT and I didn't quite make it that far. 1600+ started and I finished 66th for 9.40e
I also played a 5euro 6-Max MTT. This got 249 runners and I managed to FT and was running 4/6. One player had a massive amount of the chips in play and was bullying everyone in every single pot. I min-raise A6 on the button, both blinds flat, flop is 265ss, I c-bet fully expecting the aggro player to raise me as he has done to everyone else, he does raise (it virtually puts me all in) I go all-in and he snaps me off with 34 gg me.
Finished 6th for 44.82e
ARGHHH!!! How many FTs before I actually win 1!!
Ah well, good night of fun and about +45e
One of the tables where I was playing HU was with Rancid, and I think it must be the first time I've ever come away from a session having won money off Rancid! lol.
Finished the night +£20.03
Bankroll: £1,130.00
Poker Points: 1987 (£19.87)
hit n run !
Not saying you were scared to continue but you were still playing on other table's ! )
does leave a bitter taste in the mouth when you just leave after winning some monies
Paul
FWIW, I didnt stay very long on the tables at all, was only playing for as long as it took for Emma to bust her deepstack which was about 30-45 mins after I loaded the cash tables IIRC lol (she had been playing for about 1+ hour before that).
Im always happy to play anyone HU to start a table, although you are pretty much bottom of the list of people I want to play HU
No hard feelings I hope, Im definitely not a hit and run artist.
I only played tonight because I was 13 points short of 2k points so just wanted to get there, partly cos its just like £5 for no effort but more so just because my OCD means I cant bare to leave it a 1987 points.
Im at my mums where the laptop/internet connection (not sure which) make it impossible to multi table so just wanted to earn the points as quick as possible with the minimum effort, then I dont need to play poker tonight or tomorrow. So I played 4 x £5.25 Hypers and won 3 of them (1 of which was against Donk), then I finished it off with a £1 Hyper (which I won) for OCD purposes to have exactly 2k points.
So a profit of £9.95 tonight and that is March complete.
March Summary and April plans coming soon.
Bankroll: £1,139.95
Poker Points: 2000 (£24)
This has been a really great month for me, certainly my best for a long time. Ive seen my bankroll go from £649.89 to almost double that at £1,163.95 (including C4P) which is an excellent profit of £514.06.
Ive also now spent around 2 weeks at 30NL and over a month at 20NL, its still very early days but I am feeling comfortable with the amounts involved and comfortable with the regs at the level.
Ive made IIRC about 6-7 FTs in March from only around 30 MTTs, no big scores yet but I just gotta keep going deep and they will come.
April Targets
1. FINALLY get round to recording me playing a poker session (got the software downloaded now)
2. Achieve Priority - This will be very tough but I like a challenge
3. Dont Tilt! - By far the biggest cause of my losses and VITAL if Im putting in a lot of volume