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You'll know I don't usually read diaries but IDCU made a comment that brought me here. I've had a look at your post in BBV and treated it like a clinic post. Hope that's alright. I'm sure you've had loads of opinions from other sources on those hands anyway.
Bad couple of days for you but I'm sure you'll pull it all back soon enough.
if the answer is no, then there's nothing else you can do.
upswings and downswings happen for sometimes no reason - varaince !
Why do we play with BRM, to avoid ruin.
I recently had a £600 upswing followed by a £400 downswing, it happens.
Just gotta be honest with yourself and identify any bad play and eradicate it.
chin up
Don't worry guys, I'm not too down about it, and am more than willing to drop to 20NL if I need to shuold things not go to plan in the next session.
Funny that I should set a target to re-read The Mental Game of Poker the day before I go on a £500 downswing lol.
And thanks for the input on the BBV thread Borin, about to reply on there too. Intrigued to know what insult of IDCU's lead you to my diary lol.
Was gonna play cash last night but when I logged in every single table had Rancid, KKrippler, EvilPingu, RemyMartin (and DTM now the cash promo has started) so just thought meh no thanks. I don't mind reg on reg action but this is probably the worst time I could get too into that, I need some easy wins to get some confidence.
So I just played a few HU SnGs while I was chatting to a few poker mates on Skype. Played 4 and won 3 (£5.25s) so £9 profit, first profitable day in a while
Bankroll: £887.24 (+£24.22 of C4P)
Poker Points: 649 (£6.49)
The last night I played I did 2 sessions, lost about £150 and stood from the tables at 11pm ish I think and that still left me with 4 figures in my account JUST... then sat back down at about midnight and lost another £120 ish
or is that just not possible at the higher levels,i don't know but I don't see why it shouldn't be.
I've been told that I should/could use a 2 buy-in stop loss,which I thought was a good idea...
don't know if I can/will stick to it though,as I did have a 2.8 loss last sat night,after playing 9 tables though,which I have not been doing of late.
I guess having rules in place is generally a good idea...
but sticking to them is maybe another thing.
but if like having good BRM is a must and something we never deviate from, and is something we have learnt to do in most cases,then maybe the above or something similar would/could become the norm in time too.
I think that this is an interesting topic and maybe one that many players,myself included obviously, could improve upon within their own game,and maybe even one that many players,again myself included,have previously not given much thought to....
until now.
i'm not saying that you haven't,in fact i'm sure you must have.
any thoughts?
not sure if this is covered properly in 'the mental game of poker ' book,but just had a quick glance through and didn't see it,if it is i'll find it,and read up on it.
gl mate rebuilding,
dev
ps; hope you don't take this post the wrong way mate..
and that it doesn't come across that way.
1. if your playing bad, then take a break and re focus - if you can't then quit
2. if your playing good and losing, carry on unless tilt makes you start playing bad - refer to point 1
3. if your tilt affects your play, then quit
4. If you feel your just running abso bad, step down a level and ride it out - minimises loses
ps. don't put too much pressure on yourself to win
good luck
If I'm 6 tabling and on tables full of value but happen to get coolered 3 times 30 mins into the session, as long as I'm still playing well there is no reason imo to leave good games. It's the same as when people say 'take a week off', taking a week off or having stop losses is gonna have zero impact on the variance/luck you experience.
Pretty much as Rancid said really... a stop loss is fine for shot taking but I'm not doing that. So the only reason to ever leave a table is if...
1) You're playing bad
2) You need to go somewhere/you planned to finish your session at X time.
Must say I'm shocked to hear you say point 4 though Ranny. You know that things can change at any point regardless of stakes so if we're a player with an edge and a big enough BR, then why would we step down, cos obv we don't know when we're going to stop running bad?
I didn't take your post offensively at all btw Dev, thanks for the input and advice, I just don't think stop losses are for me. My discipline has just been a bit lacking in them 2 sessions, like there have been sessions before where I've sat down and stood up from all tables within 10 mins cos I just know I'm not playing great even if I haven't lost any big pots.
Definitely should have stood earlier in both sessions and there was 100% tilt involved. Cheers btw Rancid for your comments in the BBV thread, the main thing to take from that is to stop being such a mental game fish. If someone posted them hands my response would prob be exactly the same as yours and it's what I'd do in game... when I'm playing well!
Anyways, no pressure. It's alright anyway cos I'm gonna bink SPT Brum then I'll be alright
no worries Paul,
just thought that if you did have a stop loss then the BIG losses wouldn't happen.
but as long as you are rolled properly I guess it doesn't matter if we lose them in 1 session or the next 5,etc.
I just thought it was worth a mention and as i'm still trying to progress at playing cash,even though it's early days, I am finding this area of the game most interesting at the moment.
gl as I said in building your roll back up again,
dev
This is something that is just personal to me I think, like when your just constantly running KK into AA and set over set and just varaince kicking you in the teeth. Kinda just except that I am running horrible and maybe step down for a session or two just to minimise loses. But your right it can turn around, but I do the opposite when running good - I go up a level.
Like play less when running bad and play more when running good.
Just how I feel when I am playing
I don't know if it's bad or good tbh but it works for me.
had you done that,which is my point in asking about buy-in stop losses,would that have possibly saved you money here?
dev
The other 2 nights I should have stood not because I was losing, but because I was playing bad.
Other times I'll be playing absolute A-game, playing really well and still losing, in this scenario, there's no reason for me to stand.
So it's not a stop loss ya need, it's an ability to identify your own tilt or just bad play and have the discipline to just say 'ok I was gonna do a 3 huor session and I'm only 30 mins, but I'm leaving now'. As I said, I've done this myself in other sessions, but just didn't do it the other 2 nights. Probably some residual tilt from bricking about 16541351 MTTs last month.
I find though that when i'm running well I tend to play well too, (or so it feels)
and when i'm running bad my play tends to drop down with it, as a general rule.
and I also think in my case anyway,that the 2 go hand in hand...
ie; run well/play well = win
run bad.play bad = lose.
so would I not be better off giving myself say 4-5 buy-in stop loss when I run bad and end up losing?
or should I continue playing and trying to win my money back?
which sometimes works and sometimes doesn't.
The reason you couldn't lose £500 @ 50NL is cos you're a massive nit who won't put money in the pot without quads pre-flop, you don't take any risks and play a low variance style.
I'm playing 30NL btw, not 20NL. If you're saying it's impossible you'd ever lose 15 BIs in a row when 6/7tabling, then you're doing something wrong. Also if you look up, you'll see DTM said he lost £1121 in 3 consecutive days and that was at 20NL, is he not good enough either cos that's more than double me at smaller stakes? But then you seem to think Rancid is bad as well dont ya lol....
Btw, the last hand is probably one of the least bad ones you could have picked, given their stack I think it's pretty standard
Donk, neither me or anyone else wanted you to leave the site. There were about 6 people on the thread not 30 lol, and I'm not even one of the ones that was having a go at you! I said it was out of order (and I stand by that). FWIW, I know what it's like actually, until alot of them got kicked out I had a ton of haters in that FB group that just jumped on every word I said and I still get loads of haters on here too, but meh just leave them to it. You gotta just take it on the chin and realise there will always be people eager to have a go.
I'm happy to delete my comments if you do the same.
I don't see you searching me out for value - but anyway you know where you can find me.
For the record I have probbaly played 3 pots with you in the last 2 years that I can remember - so you obviously must crush me when I am not looking.
Or do I just take it as a compliment that you mention this soo much.
Buy hey if you wanna call me out, I'll play HU anytime any stake upto nl50.
welcome back !
sry to hijack Paul...
Sorry to see variance, is kicking you in the teeth atm, but (unlike donk) I think you are more than capable of pulling back. It may take a week, it may take a month or two but you will be fine.
Just don't be too proud to drop a level if you have to (which I'm sure you won't be)
Gl
Played on both of the 20NL MC tables for about 2 hours and made a loss of £38.18. There was a 'table fish' that everyone seemed to be taking money off except me, cos he kept just getting there v me. This was the only big loss and imo I'm usually getting called by worse from this guy but meh
Then at about midnight, I looked at the 30NL tables and for the first time in days, they looked quite good and weren't just full to the brim of good regs. Things went a bit better here, and would have went much better if I hadn't spewed off into LiamBoi's set of 7s. Despite that, I still managed to come away +£30.18 and any win is a win atm (even if I'm down for the day lol).
Total of -£19 for the day.
Bankroll: £868.24 (+£24.22 of C4P)
Poker Points: 853 (£8.53)
Dont try to force the win and it will just come along in time.
Good luck.
Daz.
@Sigh - Yeah I know, I was never really chasing points though, Priority really is just arbitrary figure designed to make sure I play lots, it was always just to encourage me to play more, not just to become some nit rakeback grinder or w/e
The weighted contribution hasn't changed my game at all, it would be pretty stupid to make -EV moves to earn about 5 points which is equal to about 6p lol. I'll take +EV spots where I can find them and a few points isnt ever gonna make a decision change from -EV to +EV.
As it is, Priority probably won't happen this month because I'm trying to be a bit more selective. I don't mind playing V loads of regs but I don't wanna do it when I'm playing no where near my best so sometimes table selection is stoping me from playing the 6/7 tables I would like to.
RE: the hand above, yes I will be ahead a lot imo, that's why I did it lol. I mentioned above he was pretty fishy, and I had been on the table for a while and seen plenty of his light call downs. The very fact he has flatted someone's iso and then flatted a 3bet w/ Q6s should say alot. I only have £22 left and the pot is already £19, imo any bet is pretty much pot comitting barring a really bad river, and the board is already getting pretty wet as it is. I'm pretty confident that he never has QQ+ because was pretty straight forward and always looking to get these in pre, and he's paying me off here with a just bare 8, TP, any hand with the Ac in it and pr + draw hands like 89, 78, all of which I'm happy to get it in against with only 1 card to come.
The 5 doesn't really help any str8 draws because 68 already had it on the flop, I'm certain he's raising the flop with a set, so I have to put him on exclusively FDs and 2prs on the flop and he's just too stationy and loose to do that imo.