Lambert180 ----- Life After The Grind -------

MP33

Nice result - Should be a great tourney

" where the best value is etc."

Just wondering what stratetgys or in which ways do you find this info out as i find myself going from site to site and looking in all the lobbys which can take forever. Is there a quicker way?

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Lambert180

In Response to Re: Lambert180 ----- Lolpro and Onwards:

Nice result - Should be a great tourney "   where the best value is etc." Just wondering what stratetgys or in which ways do you find this info out as i find myself going from site to site and looking in all the lobbys which can take forever. Is there a quicker way? P
Posted by MP33

There is no quick way really, guess it's just a case of experience. The more you grind a particular game at various different times, it doesn't take long to find out what times are softer etc. Generally cash is always gonna be better value at night and the MTTs I play are pretty much very soft no matter what time I play, so just makes sense for instance to play cash when it's good, and MTTs when cash isn't so good or whatever.

chicknMelt

In Response to Re: Lambert180 ----- Lolpro and Onwards:

In Response to Re: Lambert180 ----- Lolpro and Onwards : There is no quick way really, guess it's just a case of experience. The more you grind a particular game at various different times, it doesn't take long to find out what times are softer etc. Generally cash is always gonna be better value at night and the MTTs I play are pretty much very soft no matter what time I play, so just makes sense for instance to play cash when it's good, and MTTs when cash isn't so good or whatever.
Posted by Lambert180

 do you ever play cash and tourneys at the same time? 

Lambert180

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In Response to Re: Lambert180 ----- Lolpro and Onwards :  do you ever play cash and tourneys at the same time? 
Posted by chicknMelt

Yes, pretty much every single session.

Lambert180

Speaking of cash and MTTs at the same time. That's what I did again this morning and just finished up.

Pretty sigh morning for sats (which I'm now playing for cash), was crushing another £5.70 UKPC direct sat into the £52 then went completely card dead HU (only 1 seat on offer)... like card dead even by HU standard, I got dealt 42o and 52o about 5 times in the space of 10 hands and it's pretty tough to do anything but fold when stacks are 10xBB eff. Bubbled that anyway K8 < AQ.

Played a £2.50 Micro into the £11.50 (1in5), finished 1 off the bubble.

Played a £1.30 Micro into the £11.50 (1in10), not sure where I finished but didn't get close.

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Action on the cash tables this morning was pretty rubbish and it was a struggle to even get a seat so ended up playing a few HU SnGs alongside the few tables I could get going.

Played 2 x £5 and lost both =   -£10.50

Played 13 x £10 and won 8  =   +£23.50

So total profit of £13 from the HU games which recoups the £9.50 I spent on failed satellites.

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Finally cash, couldn't get many games going as I said but still got 3 hours in (ish) and finished with another epiiiiiiccc profit of +£1 lol.

A win is a win though, I'll never complain about winning £££.

F_Ivanovic

I asked you a qn in a thread a while back but don't know what thread it was and if you answered it: Do you think you have a big edge then playing satellites? I'm really not a huge fan of them because I believe my time spent playing them could be better spent playing something else (such as Cash)

I mean I can understand playing the final/semi satellite into the UKPC because the money is still pretty significant and is equivalent of more than a couple BI's at the cash level I play. But playing a satellite where you only win half a BI of the lowest level of cash that you play? Not too sure how long these tournaments take but I think if we don't play them and have an extra table of cash we'll be making more money doing so.

Or is it just to add some variety into the daily grind of cash?

Lambert180

Sigh, wrote a long reply to this and got timed out... literally lost count how many times that has happened now!!!!

Ok so yeah I think my edge is pretty big in these games cos their quite fast and people just fold WAY too often and wait too long til they get to the stage where they feel they need to get it in, so short of walking into a monster, you can build up a pretty big stack in the mid stages without even seeing a flop most of the time, certainly not a turn. 

My 'edge' is increased in terms of ROI by the fact a lot of these games are getting quite alot of overlay atm. Admittedly, of all the games, the £2.50 into the £11.50 is probably the worst value (or the least good value). I prefer the 1in10 ones as they're so top heavy so the £1.30s into £11.50 but more the £5.70s into £52s which I think are great value especially with all the overlay. FWIW, my plan for grinding the sats is to grind my £2.50/£5 up to taking the cash from the £240 level so it's a decent return which only involves winning 2 x sats from the £5.70s.

FWIW, they are very quick, they're usually 3 min blinds and get <10 runners so get through them very quick, that's why I wanted more but as it is now, you're lucky if there's like 1 an hour running.

I usually only play these in the mornings because as I said at times it can be a struggle getting as many tables open as I'd like. For instance this morning there were no empty seats, I got on 2-3 tables via waiting lists and started up a new 20NL table, a new 20NL MC table and a new 30NL table.... 30 mins later I was still sat on my own on all 3 of them. Imo playing 2-3 tables is a waste of my poker playing time so I loaded up some HU SnGs and some MTTs/sats. It's one of the things I'm quite happy about in that I'm a winner at all formats so can turn my hand to any of them when needed. The only games I've never put much volume in at are DYMs but I'm sure I could beat them at a low/mid BI level. 

It is also nice to have some variety

Lambert180

Meh, obv used up all my rungood to get through that UKPC Semi the other night.

Only played a few tournies tonight, just more of a chilled 'night off' and back to cash grind tomorrow night but they all went pretty rubbish.

Was quite far into the DTD freeroll and got it in pre AA v 55 for a really healthy stack for the late stages, but a 5 on the river put an end to that.

Took a big knock early in the ME with the nut flush against someone that rivered a FH, luckily he was quite short so I didn't bust I was just left with 800 chips, managed to spin it back up to about 1800 @ 40/80, then got it in pre q/ QQ v KK.

Mini exit was a bit more 'dodgy' but I know how light people love to get it in pre in the Mini BHs and blinds had gone up a bit, so got it in pre w/ AJs v QQ. Flopped a jack but that was my only help so left with £1.88 of heads.

Only thing I got going now is the £2.20 speed rebuy, used to love this tourney but aint played it for ages so thought I'd give it a whirl. Usually gets like £120+ up top so not be sniffed at.

Lambert180

Meh another epic fail there. Everything was going very well, until @ 150/300 I raised with KK, someone peeled A5o, and it came 234r lol gg.

Somehow missed the add-on as well which was really annoying but prob saved me £2.20

the ME, Mini and rebuy (minus my head in the mini) comes to a total of -£19.02

The_Don90

Sounds like a bumpy day Paul. Glad someone agrees with me on the 3 min sats btw, always felt i was banging my head against a brick wall at times theyve been critised for having "no skill edge" 100% would agree they are beatable. 

When you say yopur planning to take the money at the £240 level, i assume you will try and qualify at a later date for the ukpc? 

Lambert180

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Sounds like a bumpy day Paul. Glad someone agrees with me on the 3 min sats btw, always felt i was banging my head against a brick wall at times theyve been critised for having "no skill edge" 100% would agree they are beatable.  When you say yopur planning to take the money at the £240 level, i assume you will try and qualify at a later date for the ukpc? 
Posted by The_Don90

Well I'm trying to lock up my seat for the UKPC as soon as possible. I'm in the £240 game now (I assume you saw that on FB) which will be played on Sunday and hopefully that will be me sorted so pressure is off.

What I meant was, while I'm already regged for the Sunday £240, the days leading up to that (this week) I'm going to try to win entry into that £240 again through £2s/£5s etc. to try and pocket the £240.

Hopefully I win the seat on Sunday then I'll continue to play for cash, if I don't get my seat then I'll continue to play them actually for the seat.

The_Don90

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In Response to Re: Lambert180 ----- Lolpro and Onwards : Well I'm trying to lock up my seat for the UKPC as soon as possible. I'm in the £240 game now (I assume you saw that on FB) which will be played on Sunday and hopefully that will be me sorted so pressure is off. What I meant was, while I'm already regged for the Sunday £240, the days leading up to that (this week) I'm going to try to win entry into that £240 again through £2s/£5s etc. to try and pocket the £240. Hopefully I win the seat on Sunday then I'll continue to play for cash, if I don't get my seat then I'll continue to play them actually for the seat.
Posted by Lambert180

Yeah i seen on fb after i read and asked the question. Since being re-added i dont get notifications for that group anymore so managed to miss the brag. 

Lambert180

Another sigh night of MTTs...

Bust the DTD FR when someone hero'd/stationed me down 3 streets w/ 44 on a board with 4 overs.

Played ME and Mini tonight. ME was a bit up and down and not long after the break I had about 9k @ 250/500, button minraises from about 19xBB, I ship BB and AQs < 66. So took a big knock down to abuot 4k. Got back up to 6k with a few steal attempts and then this is my exit hand. Not complaining about the call obv, I want the call, the reason I go for the check/ship is specifically to let someone commit themselves all in with a big club or TP.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
Hampi2008	Small blind		150.00	150.00	17316.38
POKEY2011	Big blind		300.00	450.00	14612.50
	Your hole cards	J J
Lambert180	Raise		600.00	1050.00	5760.50
iwillbustu	Fold
Cheshire23	Call		600.00	1650.00	22022.48
mikem1981	Fold
Hampi2008	Fold
POKEY2011	Call		300.00	1950.00	14312.50
Flop
		10 5 7
POKEY2011	Check
Lambert180	Check
Cheshire23	Bet		1950.00	3900.00	20072.48
POKEY2011	Call		1950.00	5850.00	12362.50
Lambert180	All-in		5760.50	11610.50	0.00
Cheshire23	Fold
POKEY2011	Call		3810.50	15421.00	8552.00
POKEY2011	Show	8 A
Lambert180	Show	J J
Turn
		2
River
		A
POKEY2011	Win	Pair of Aces	15421.00		23973.00

Mini went a lot better (to a point), started well and got up to about 9k, dropped down to like 6k then got a golden opportunity to get a stack that was probably chip leader or not far off a level or two before the add-on period, sadly it turned out to be my exit hand instead.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
POKERTREV	Small blind		40.00	40.00	3255.00
heellloooo	Big blind		80.00	120.00	6305.00
	Your hole cards	A A
DELDAVE	Fold
gemy	Fold
Lambert180	Raise		240.00	360.00	5735.00
MRBURNS4	Fold
POKERTREV	Fold
heellloooo	Raise		800.00	1160.00	5505.00
Lambert180	All-in		5735.00	6895.00	0.00
heellloooo	Call		5095.00	11990.00	410.00
heellloooo	Show	10 10
Lambert180	Show	A A
Flop
		J 4 6
Turn
		8
River
		10
heellloooo	Win	Three 10s	11990.00		12400.00

Didn't bother rebuying there so Mini cost £11 and ME cost £44

Off to the cash tables now to win the lot! gl meeee

Lambert180

Right, now I got the bad beat yawn hands out the way, here's a hand I wanted to discuss....

Not much in the way of reads, other than he is loose/passive, entering a lot of pots but generally always with a limp, so not scared he's trapping with a monster as he's limped UTG loads.

Decide to just take the free flop - assume that's fine... ?

Pretty tasty flop for us, what do we do?

Donk the flop which in turn imo means we have to barrel pretty much any turn card so that our hand isn't face up as a draw if we check a missed turn?

Check/raise flop? but feels a bit meh if it gets checked through.

Check/call? - In my head this is by far the worst option

Hypothetically, what do you do on the subsequent streets (for the runout below) for whichever flop option you choose?

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
POKEY2011	Small blind		25.00	25.00	3086.00
Lambert180	Big blind		50.00	75.00	3882.50
	Your hole cards	5 6
iwillbustu	Call		50.00	125.00	1866.00
roghelz	Fold
mikem1981	Fold
Hampi2008	Fold
POKEY2011	Fold
Lambert180	Check
Flop
		3 7 8
Lambert180	Bet		100.00	225.00	3782.50
iwillbustu	Call		100.00	325.00	1766.00
Turn
		Q
Lambert180	Bet		185.00	510.00	3597.50
iwillbustu	Call		185.00	695.00	1581.00
River
		J
Lambert180	Bet		301.00	996.00	3296.50

hhyftrftdr

All I know is I wanna get as many chips in as possible on that flop.

I probably unload the clip tbh. 

Lambert180

Well yeah, I'm liking the flop obv lol and wanting chips in the middle, just not sure of the best way to do it.

My thoughts were that I didn't want him checking back the flop, then I just couldn't not barrel the turn, then by the river I was like 'meh every draw has missed except 9T, he'll have a ton of them in his range and I can prob make him fold most/all of them with a small bet on the river'.

TeddyBloat

Hes passive but capable of trapping.  We have to lead, him checking back is horrible for us. We have masses of equity, but a hand that is ever approaching 6 high on blanks. If he folds the flop its no bad thing, but we'd love to be up against slow played over pairs,  leading does best against his  whole range innit

Id barrel the q  as we can fold his floats and hands that connected sideways with the flop,  but I'm not sure id continue on the j river. completes a draw and we arent betting big enough to represent the draw ourselves. if I was betting the river id go bigger with my bluffs and value hands.

GELDY

yeah harry - how best to do it - certainly agree you have to donk into it - you don't want him checking behind

river bet - nah - the fact he called with a Q on the turn makes me think he is calling all the way unless you make it big

and even that might not get through

hhyftrftdr

To clarify, I'm betting that flop. It's not even donking it really either. I'm betting that turn. And I'm betting that river.

It's a rebuy after all

Lambert180

FWIW Teddy, I said I'm not scared of him trapping. I guess he could limp monsters, I've seen no evidence to say he won't but if he did that probably wouldn't be a trap as such, more just that he limps his entire range.

I figured the river was good to bluff, don't think he's ever calling the flop with a FD to fold the turn so he's folding all FDs on the river that haven't paired up well like AQ/AJ/KQ/KJ/QJ/QT of diamonds. Maybe not many straight draws he can have but could fold 7x/8x

Lambert180

Well cash went pretty poorly. Started really well, heatered for about 20-30 mins, just making sets/straights and doing it against people who don't like to fold pairs and was very quickly up enough to pay for my £55 of MTTs earlier... then it all went downhill quickly. 

Mostly just loads of light/drawy call downs from people (which I love) that ended up getting there (which I don't lol) but yeah tables were great and I'm never gonna moan about people calling down with very weak hands, another day and I do win the lot Dropped down to about -£25 for the session then lost a couple of BIs playing 30NL HU cash to finish -£80.

Was a really rubbish HU sesh, was happy with my opponent but it was a real struggle... I know HU obviously isn't just about sitting there folding and waiting for hands but I played villain for probably 90 mins and the whole time it was a struggle to make a single 1pr (or better) hand lol. I think every decent sized pot I won (and there were a few despite losing like £55) except 1 was just a stone bluff. Here's a couple

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
WALTANG	Small blind		£0.15	£0.15	£54.75
Lambert180	Big blind		£0.30	£0.45	£23.37
	Your hole cards	A J
WALTANG	Call		£0.15	£0.60	£54.60
Lambert180	Raise		£0.90	£1.50	£22.47
WALTANG	Call		£0.90	£2.40	£53.70
Flop
		Q Q 4
Lambert180	Check
WALTANG	Bet		£1.20	£3.60	£52.50
Lambert180	Call		£1.20	£4.80	£21.27
Turn
		K
Lambert180	Check
WALTANG	Bet		£2.40	£7.20	£50.10
Lambert180	Call		£2.40	£9.60	£18.87
River
		7
Lambert180	Check
WALTANG	Bet		£3.30	£12.90	£46.80
Lambert180	All-in		£18.87	£31.77	£0.00
WALTANG	Fold
Lambert180	Show	A J
Lambert180	Win		£15.39		£15.39
Lambert180	Return		£15.57	£0.81	£30.96

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
Lambert180	Small blind		£0.15	£0.15	£34.53
WALTANG	Big blind		£0.30	£0.45	£74.57
	Your hole cards	5 J
Lambert180	Raise		£0.75	£1.20	£33.78
WALTANG	Raise		£1.50	£2.70	£73.07
Lambert180	Call		£0.90	£3.60	£32.88
Flop
		2 2 2
WALTANG	Bet		£1.80	£5.40	£71.27
Lambert180	Call		£1.80	£7.20	£31.08
Turn
		K
WALTANG	Check
Lambert180	Check
River
		Q
WALTANG	Bet		£3.60	£10.80	£67.67
Lambert180	Raise		£9.00	£19.80	£22.08
WALTANG	Fold
Lambert180	Show	5 J
Lambert180	Win		£13.68		£35.76
Lambert180	Return		£5.40	£0.72	£41.16

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Cheers for the replies all. Think we're all agreed then it's a donk bet (not really a donkbet lol) on the flop, barrel the turn, then opinion is split about whether we bother bluffing the river or not. Here is the result anyway if anyone is interested...

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
POKEY2011	Small blind		25.00	25.00	3086.00
Lambert180	Big blind		50.00	75.00	3882.50
	Your hole cards	5 6
iwillbustu	Call		50.00	125.00	1866.00
roghelz	Fold
mikem1981	Fold
Hampi2008	Fold
POKEY2011	Fold
Lambert180	Check
Flop
		3 7 8
Lambert180	Bet		100.00	225.00	3782.50
iwillbustu	Call		100.00	325.00	1766.00
Turn
		Q
Lambert180	Bet		185.00	510.00	3597.50
iwillbustu	Call		185.00	695.00	1581.00
River
		J
Lambert180	Bet		301.00	996.00	3296.50
iwillbustu	Call		301.00	1297.00	1280.00
Lambert180	Show	5 6
iwillbustu	Show	9 J
iwillbustu	Win	Pair of Jacks	1297.00		2577.00

chicknMelt

Hi Lambert... HU can be pretty brutal! one thing I notice is that you are showing your bluffs... I'm sure there is good reasoning behind it, but I never do this. It lets your opponent know you are capable of a massive bluff (without them paying for the information by making a call) and they will now be able to call you down lighter in the future. since HU is ALOT of bluffing, thats probably not what you want. I like to keep my opponents in the dark

GaryQQQ

In Response to Re: Lambert180 ----- Lolpro and Onwards:

Sigh, wrote a long reply to this and got timed out... literally lost count how many times that has happened now!!!! Posted by Lambert180

Easy solution; type out all entries in a word processor, then copy & paste them across to this forum. If you get timed out it'll still be there, just log back in and paste again. Will save you tons of time.

Download a freeware word processor if you don't have one.

GELDY

In Response to Re: Lambert180 ----- Lolpro and Onwards:

In Response to Re: Lambert180 ----- Lolpro and Onwards : Easy solution; type out all entries in a word processor, then copy & paste them across to this forum. If you get timed out it'll still be there, just log back in and paste again. Will save you tons of time. Download a freeware word processor if you don't have one.
Posted by GaryQQQ

great advice - do this with long emails as well although draft saving has got much better

the other way to do it is to do a ctrl-A ctrl-C before pressing send

ie copy all to the clipboard

that way a quick ctrl-P paste puts it all back in one easy go

lol at the use of "word processor" I remember those days (i liked wordperfect myself iirc)

these days peeps seem to just say "word", which is the hoover of "word processors"

Lambert180

@ChicknMelt - Yeah maybe I shouldn't show... I dunno. I wasn't showing all my bluffs, think these were the only 2 I showed actually, and the reason I did it was exactly as I said so he would start calling me down lighter. He was playing so nitty, which is fine for me nicking a few pots here and there, and taking the blinds loads, but not for ever getting paid off for a hand.

Cheers Gary/Geldy - yeah I know I should do this, I just always forget, and often I plan to write a quick 2 sentence reply but as anyone who has read my posts will know.... it never ends up that way lol.

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Only played a few games this morning due to being distracted with other stuff

£11.50 sat into the £52 UKPC Semi - got HU for 1 seat but lost so didnt get anything

£3.60 ME Direct - won that

£5.70 into the £52 UKPC Semi - bust that, didnt get anything.

So spent £20.8 and got a £33 ME seat, guess it's not the worst result ever.

TeddyBloat

You're a much better and more experienced player than I lambert, but if I had an opponent that was playing too tight or too loose then id want to quietly exploit that. 

by showing bluffs you might incetivise him to play more optimally.

Just as likely though he might see that youve shon a couple of big bluffs and assume the other big bets you didnt show must have been value bets, and ghe might make the opposite adustment to the one you wished for.

chicknMelt

@lambert - yeah thats the only reason I could think of that you *might* want to show (did'nt spot if you had said it already, sorry). but i think I agree with teddy - if I spot a leak (like being too nitty), I'm going to just go ahead and exploit it relentlessly until they catch on... big hands are hard to make. it is a bit boring when your playing against a nit though.

Lambert180

Yeah you're both making very valid points... maybe it isn't something I should be doing at all. Live and learn and all that lark... won't show my cards anymore. I know I shouldnt do it really, it's something I'm guilty of doing that live sometimes too when I shouldn't but I've been told off by the other half for doing that lol.

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I noticed the other day that my Sharkscope for MTTs on Sky is finally heading towards the +£1k mark. MTTs are something I've never really put much volume into at all, if you strip out the satellites from my SS, I've probably played <300 games in 4-5 years. I'm happy with my SS ROI-wise and what not, but I haven't played many games and a huge amount of my games are micro stakes so the profit bit is not great.

So gonna steal Dohhhh's idea and set myself a target to get my MTT SS to +£xxx by the end of the year. I know variance in MTTs is huge and it may not happen but it's only a bit of fun and to encourage me to put more MTT volume in. I'm gonna pick a realistic target and play a lot more to give myself a decent shout at pulling it off. At least it'll give me something a bit more interesting to post about.

I think my total MTT profit atm is abuot +£950 but I'm not going to set my target yet because I've got the UKPC Final on Sunday and if I get a seat that'll show as +£860 so be a bit silly to set a target of like £1.5k and then go and do it in a couple of days by winning 1 seat lol. If I lose it'll show as -£240 even though it actually cost me £5 so I'm gonna wait until that game is out of the way, see what my profit is on there and then set a target.

TPTP123

Its not that horrendous to show cards if your doing it to induce spass or tilt players so that they'll play back lighter against you... i like showing a bluff every now and then... its a control thing imo but yeah if your overdoing it with no reason to induce anything prob best to jus muck 

TeddyBloat

the best way to induce a change in your opponents - if you really dont like them playing badly -is to win money from their leaks.

you can do it by humiliating or tilting them, but you don't win as much and it might, for example, turn a tight passive lamb into a roided-up loose aggro tyson who fights for every pot. not sure you want to pump a boxer up before going 12 rounds, innit

unless you know what reaction you are going to get id leave it. do it to a solid player to get him to move away from solid play maybe, but not to plug a leak for free. just win money until they realise summat is wrong.