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Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest

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  • TINTINTINTIN
    edited June 2012
    as midnight past i couldnt resist getting a couple of hours in. i played ok apart from 1 hand where i stacked off and maybe i shouldnt, i will look at it tomorro when im not as tired.

    i wont be updating after every session but since its the start of the diary i will do it the once to get it going.

    start balance: £100
    closing balance: £106.97
    c4p: 30
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  • MP33MP33
    edited June 2012
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest:
    as midnight past i couldnt resist getting a couple of hours in. i played ok apart from 1 hand where i stacked off and maybe i shouldnt, i will look at it tomorro when im not as tired. i wont be updating after every session but since its the start of the diary i will do it the once to get it going. start balance: £100 closing balance: £106.97 c4p: 30
    Posted by TINTIN
    I,ve just finished after playing from midnight as well on NL4 and although i had some disconnection issues earlier i,ve just checked my c4p after playing 3-4 tables and have accumilated the grand total of 6 pts :( and i,ve been playing for over 3 hours - Nice start to your challenge anyway

    MP
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  • TINTINTINTIN
    edited June 2012
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest:
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest : Sounds like i know where im going wrong in regards to this. I used to grind throughout the night which i prefered on another site but i tried this on sky and between maintenece upgrades and low traffic during the night i found it a nightmare unless you where willing to play multiple levels.
    Posted by The_Don90
    yeah early hours can be a nightmare and the maintenence outages werent ideal. i found the games started to realy drop off around 1:30am-2am most nights, i guess this is why i adjusted what hours i tend to play. even a lunchtime session has more choice when you can be looking at around 15 tables running
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  • TINTINTINTIN
    edited June 2012
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest:
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest : I,ve just finished after playing from midnight as well on NL4 and although i had some disconnection issues earlier i,ve just checked my c4p after playing 3-4 tables and have accumilated the grand total of 6 pts :( and i,ve been playing for over 3 hours - Nice start to your challenge anyway MP
    Posted by MP33
    wow something really doesnt add up there. was you constantly at the same tables or were you moving arund a lot? 6 points over 3 tables equates to an hours play assuming you stick to the same table for that lenght of time.
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  • GaryQQQGaryQQQ
    edited June 2012
    Good luck with this, it's about time this silly 'unbeatable' myth was slain in back and white for all to see.
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  • TINTINTINTIN
    edited June 2012
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest:
    Good luck with this, it's about time this silly 'unbeatable' myth was slain in back and white for all to see.
    Posted by GaryQQQ
    thanks. thats what im kinda hoping for.
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  • TINTINTINTIN
    edited June 2012
    just a quick update, my lunchtime session went well, only lost 2 pots of any real value and logging off up 5 buyins for the session. if i didnt have to go out i would have happily played on
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  • The_Don90The_Don90
    edited June 2012
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest:
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest : I,ve just finished after playing from midnight as well on NL4 and although i had some disconnection issues earlier i,ve just checked my c4p after playing 3-4 tables and have accumilated the grand total of 6 pts :( and i,ve been playing for over 3 hours - Nice start to your challenge anyway MP
    Posted by MP33
    I just 4 tabled, for just under 2 hours (a long session by my standard) i changed one table early in the session and i made 14 poker points.
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  • The_Don90The_Don90
    edited June 2012
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest:
    just a quick update, my lunchtime session went well, only lost 2 pots of any real value and logging off up 5 buyins for the session. if i didnt have to go out i would have happily played on
    Posted by TINTIN
    I actually sat on two of your tables and you where up (or over 150BB) on both u left about 2 mins into my session, had one interesting hand with you where i couldnt do anything with the range i had you on.
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  • TINTINTINTIN
    edited June 2012
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest:
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest : I actually sat on two of your tables and you where up (or over 150BB) on both u left about 2 mins into my session, had one interesting hand with you where i couldnt do anything with the range i had you on.
    Posted by The_Don90
    i think i remember the hand in question. tbh i shouldnt have hit the call button from the sb. it was one of those where you go wtf did i do that for milliseconds after the event.

    i had to take my son to the dentist or there was a good chance i would have stuck around. i may even have ended up spewing what i had built up lol
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  • TINTINTINTIN
    edited June 2012
    heres my biggest losing hand from this afternoons session. thought he had a middling ace, was way out
    Pipunch Small blind  £0.02 £0.02 £6.31
    becky0020 Big blind  £0.04 £0.06 £7.41
      Your hole cards
    • Q
    • A
    		     
    Dock74 Fold     
    mickmc6808 Call  £0.04 £0.10 £5.64
    x Raise  £0.08 £0.18 £2.81
    TINTIN Raise  £0.40 £0.58 £3.54
    Pipunch Fold     
    becky0020 Fold     
    mickmc6808 Fold     
    x Call  £0.32 £0.90 £2.49
    Flop
       
    • J
    • 2
    • A
    		     
    x Check     
    TINTIN Bet  £0.68 £1.58 £2.86
    x Call  £0.68 £2.26 £1.81
    Turn
       
    • 4
    		     
    x Check     
    TINTIN Bet  £2.26 £4.52 £0.60
    xAll-in  £1.81 £6.33 £0.00
    TINTIN Unmatched bet  £0.45 £5.88 £1.05
    x Show
    • 2
    • 2
    		   
    TINTIN Show
    • Q
    • A
    		   
    River
       
    • A
    		     
    x Win Full House, 2s and Aces £5.43  £5.43
     
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  • IDONKCALLUIDONKCALLU
    edited June 2012
    unlucky tintin villain could of folded pre but its what we do that matters not opponenent u played it fine just a cooler when it comes to pairs not many fold any pairs pre or any hand for that case lol so cant put a range of hands on most players at 4nl wouldnt suprise me what people turn up with 
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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited June 2012
    To be honest TinTin I find players hitting a set is  the hardest thing to putting an opponent on.
    I agree with your read, that their raise suggested some sort of ace or maybe KQ. ( most players tend to flat call with small pockets like 22 or 44). At the end of the day I don't think you are ever going to get off that hand. Just one of those where you will do all your stack.

    Mike
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  • The_Don90The_Don90
    edited June 2012
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest:
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest : i think i remember the hand in question. tbh i shouldnt have hit the call button from the sb. it was one of those where you go wtf did i do that for milliseconds after the event. i had to take my son to the dentist or there was a good chance i would have stuck around. i may even have ended up spewing what i had built up lol
    Posted by TINTIN
    You where BB i think i was BTN. I flopped the world tho, had you on a range of small PPs and suited cons (i think this is fair v my BTN range and how ull percieve how im playing) had to check two streets in hope you caught up, knowing that youd probably need to hit perfect perfect to beat me.


    Erm, quick question, How important do you think reads are at NL4?
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  • TINTINTINTIN
    edited June 2012
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest:
    unlucky tintin villain could of folded pre but its what we do that matters not opponenent u played it fine just a cooler when it comes to pairs not many fold any pairs pre or any hand for that case lol so cant put a range of hands on most players at 4nl wouldnt suprise me what people turn up with 
    Posted by IDONKCALLU
    the result was a shrug of the shoulders job. its was pretty standard. i thought if i was beat it was only to AJ. a set of 2's are my nemisis
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  • pod1pod1
    edited June 2012
    why do i play suited connectors lol!!
    markgaza31Small blind£0.02£0.02£2.46
    pod1Big blind £0.04£0.06£4.06
    daveshepSit out    
     Your hole cards
    • 9
    • 10
    		   
    TINTINRaise £0.20£0.26£7.54
    dolphiFold    
    markgaza31Fold    
    pod1Call £0.16£0.42£3.90
    Flop
      
    • 4
    • 8
    • J
    		   
    pod1Check    
    TINTINBet £0.32£0.74£7.22
    pod1Call £0.32£1.06£3.58
    Turn
      
    • Q
    		   
    pod1Check    
    TINTINBet £0.80£1.86£6.42
    pod1Raise £1.60£3.46£1.98
    TINTINCall £0.80£4.26£5.62
    River
      
    • 8
    		   
    pod1All-in £1.98£6.24£0.00
    TINTINCall £1.98£8.22£3.64
    pod1Show
    • 9
    • 10
    		   
    TINTINShow
    • Q
    • Q
    		   
    TINTINWinFull House, Queens and 8s£7.60 £11.24
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  • TINTINTINTIN
    edited June 2012
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest:
    To be honest TinTin I find players hitting a set is  the hardest thing to putting an opponent on. I agree with your read, that their raise suggested some sort of ace or maybe KQ. ( most players tend to flat call with small pockets like 22 or 44). At the end of the day I don't think you are ever going to get off that hand. Just one of those where you will do all your stack. Mike
    Posted by Woogie8688
    sometimes are definatley easier to spot than others. if the villian only has around a 3/4 pot bet left on the turn so i do believe it goes in no matter what
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  • TINTINTINTIN
    edited June 2012
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest:
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest : You where BB i think i was BTN. I flopped the world tho, had you on a range of small PPs and suited cons (i think this is fair v my BTN range and how ull percieve how im playing) had to check two streets in hope you caught up, knowing that youd probably need to hit perfect perfect to beat me. Erm, quick question, How important do you think reads are at NL4?
    Posted by The_Don90
    im sure i had 22 and the flop was like AQQ. after i flatted the raise i was done coz i thought it was a mistake tryng to set mine there as im sure the pot went to the flop with just us two.

    reads are more important aginst the regs u find at this level but most notes i have are still pretty basic. its things like if he min raises its the nuts. if hes bet the river hes good or if they bet at all there good.

    against others i may just mentally note how theyve been playing lately just to give me an idea of what they are like
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  • TINTINTINTIN
    edited June 2012
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest:
    why do i play suited connectors lol!! markgaza31 Small blind £0.02 £0.02 £2.46 pod1 Big blind   £0.04 £0.06 £4.06 daveshep Sit out           Your hole cards 9 10       TINTIN Raise   £0.20 £0.26 £7.54 dolphi Fold         markgaza31 Fold         pod1 Call   £0.16 £0.42 £3.90 Flop     4 8 J       pod1 Check         TINTIN Bet   £0.32 £0.74 £7.22 pod1 Call   £0.32 £1.06 £3.58 Turn     Q       pod1 Check         TINTIN Bet   £0.80 £1.86 £6.42 pod1 Raise   £1.60 £3.46 £1.98 TINTIN Call   £0.80 £4.26 £5.62 River     8       pod1 All-in   £1.98 £6.24 £0.00 TINTIN Call   £1.98 £8.22 £3.64 pod1 Show 9 10       TINTIN Show Q Q       TINTIN Win Full House, Queens and 8s £7.60   £11.24 Close window
    Posted by pod1
    yeah this was a bit sick. im thankful for the river as i missed the straight possible on the turn
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  • lennyhlennyh
    edited June 2012

    Really looking forward to this diary,i know your regarded as one of best nl4 players.

    good luck and thank you for sharing your thoughts and experience with us.

    lenny
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  • liamboi11liamboi11
    edited June 2012
    gl in your diary tin tin you ease through 4nl no probs just a little question whats yer plans you thinking moving up level etc.

    sorry if you already stated this in the thread if u have lol
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  • pod1pod1
    edited June 2012
    yeah, i wasnt to sure about my click back on the turn, but a)it made it easier to get it in on river and b) pretty hard for you to have me on such a hand.
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  • The_Don90The_Don90
    edited June 2012
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest:
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest : im sure i had 22 and the flop was like AQQ. after i flatted the raise i was done coz i thought it was a mistake tryng to set mine there as im sure the pot went to the flop with just us two. reads are more important aginst the regs u find at this level but most notes i have are still pretty basic. its things like if he min raises its the nuts. if hes bet the river hes good or if they bet at all there good. against others i may just mentally note how theyve been playing lately just to give me an idea of what they are like
    Posted by TINTIN
    Yeah thats the hand, fwiw i had a hand id have paid ur set that time. Although i flopped my own set (i had aces) put you on that kind of hand or suited cons, really wish it was 33 with that river.
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  • TINTINTINTIN
    edited June 2012
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest:
    Really looking forward to this diary,i know your regarded as one of best nl4 players. good luck and thank you for sharing your thoughts and experience with us. lenny
    Posted by lennyh
    thank you. i hope i can make it worthwhile reading
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  • TINTINTINTIN
    edited June 2012
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest:
    gl in your diary tin tin you ease through 4nl no probs just a little question whats yer plans you thinking moving up level etc. sorry if you already stated this in the thread if u have lol
    Posted by liamboi11
    cheers mate.

    i have no plans at the minute about moving up. i enjoy it here if im honest lol.

    i did write a short bit about why in my opening post.

    i have attempted stepping up several times in the past but all have lead to negative results. i do hope to play higher one day
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  • pomfrittespomfrittes
    edited June 2012
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest:
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest : cheers mate. i have no plans at the minute about moving up. i enjoy it here if im honest lol. i did write a short bit about why in my opening post. i have attempted stepping up several times in the past but all have lead to negative results. i do hope to play higher one day
    Posted by TINTIN
       Hi TINTIN, i am of a similar mindset. I can beat NL4 but every time i move up i get crushed. Do you think it is just psychological?  I have to admit that i enjoy NL4 but i think that is because i am always comfortably rolled for the level, then i go and donk off in mtts. Must have a serious go at grinding through the levels at some point.

      GL on the tables ( tho i know you dont really need it).
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  • TINTINTINTIN
    edited June 2012
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest:
    yeah, i wasnt to sure about my click back on the turn, but a)it made it easier to get it in on river and b) pretty hard for you to have me on such a hand.
    Posted by pod1
    yeah, i had you on a set and was trying to be a little trappy, dont think many players dont go broke in that hand
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  • TINTINTINTIN
    edited June 2012
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest:
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest : Yeah thats the hand, fwiw i had a hand id have paid ur set that time. Although i flopped my own set (i had aces) put you on that kind of hand or suited cons, really wish it was 33 with that river.
    Posted by The_Don90
    phew, i did think about trying to nick it but thought better of it, wouldnt have made any sense
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  • TINTINTINTIN
    edited June 2012
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest:
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest :    Hi TINTIN, i am of a similar mindset. I can beat NL4 but every time i move up i get crushed. Do you think it is just psychological?  I have to admit that i enjoy NL4 but i think that is because i am always comfortably rolled for the level, then i go and donk off in mtts. Must have a serious go at grinding through the levels at some point.   GL on the tables ( tho i know you dont really need it).
    Posted by pomfrittes
    some part maybe physcological but i know the most part is down to me adapting.

    when i step up i do well on my first day, 3 times ive stepped up to nl10 and 3 times ive won 6+ buyins on that day, its the nxt 3 days that really do me in. the money just drains and no matter what i try i cant stem it. i have run into some stinking situations that ive been on the wrong end of but know this isnt a big reason why i dont do well.

    i just need to piece the jigsaw together and im sure i can more than hold my own when the time comes to take the step again.

    can you let my kings hold v your 7s nxt time please:)
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  • IDONKCALLUIDONKCALLU
    edited June 2012
    this is gonna sound starnge i can beat 10 nl depends what u mean beat well i played on there loads of times on 2 tables and within a week i start with 60 quid and turn it into 200 but soon as i play 4 nl never seem to do any good :( my ego does get better of me when i win a fair bit and take shot on higher stakes and lose all my roll
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