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Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest

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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited June 2012
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest:
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest : ive no idea how long i will continue at nl4 tbh. ive tried stepping up a few times this year but its hasnt went great so ive always returned back to where im comfortable. ive not played a lot of nl8 as there does seem to be much volume of tables that run so ive bypassed it in the past and went to nl10. at nl4 i dont feel fully comfortable til i have 40 buyins so if i was to adopt this to nl10 i'd be looking at having £400 in my account. im not 100% comfortable having that much in an account dedicated to poker atm due to being out of work. when circumstances change i would defo be trying the move up again. yes the increased points would be good and if i was putting in the same volume at a higher level i'd be making priority each month but from the sample ive played so far im losing there,not a huge sample but enough to get an idea. i dont want to rely on breaking even in the hope to get a decent payout from c4p. i'd much rather it be a bonus on top of winnings. til the time i step up and start to become even a little successful at the higher level im always gonna be lurking around nl4
    Posted by TINTIN
    Alot of sense in there mate. I flopped big time at NL8 the first couple of attempts but soon started grinding the profit. There seem to be a few more tables running since the C4P thing changed and i also find that putting myself on a waiting list doesnt take long. Also i found that starting my own tables was quite good as other regs wouldnt join that often so it ended up being full of fish.

    As for BR management, i worked on 20xBI at the start but soon decided i needed more so didnt start at NL8 until i had £220. It was a bit more comfy that way. I have just moved up to NL10 with a roll of nearly £600 which allows me to multitable quite easy without having too much in play at one time. So far NL10 seems a bit harder than NL8 but its all about table selection and i am still learning who the regs are. I had a stint on a mastercash table the other day and every hand was a 3-bet pot with moves all over the place. Never saw a flop so i soon stood up and found somewhere easier.

    Seriously though, NL8 is beatable with a few tweaks to a typical NL4 grinders game. I found its more enjoyable as you can bluff against the right people and its been quite a good stepping stone for my game becoming a little more unpredictable.

    Good luck mate!
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  • The_Don90The_Don90
    edited June 2012
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest:
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest : Alot of sense in there mate. I flopped big time at NL8 the first couple of attempts but soon started grinding the profit. There seem to be a few more tables running since the C4P thing changed and i also find that putting myself on a waiting list doesnt take long. Also i found that starting my own tables was quite good as other regs wouldnt join that often so it ended up being full of fish. As for BR management, i worked on 20xBI at the start but soon decided i needed more so didnt start at NL8 until i had £220. It was a bit more comfy that way. I have just moved up to NL10 with a roll of nearly £600 which allows me to multitable quite easy without having too much in play at one time. So far NL10 seems a bit harder than NL8 but its all about table selection and i am still learning who the regs are. I had a stint on a mastercash table the other day and every hand was a 3-bet pot with moves all over the place. Never saw a flop so i soon stood up and found somewhere easier. Seriously though, NL8 is beatable with a few tweaks to a typical NL4 grinders game. I found its more enjoyable as you can bluff against the right people and its been quite a good stepping stone for my game becoming a little more unpredictable. Good luck mate!
    Posted by DrSharp

    This is why i believe clashing with regs of similar standards at NL4 is a good thing when your gearing to move up. Hands such as the one i posted that me and tintin had i believe will make both me and tintin a better player for playing against better opponents.


    Anyways TinTin please stop 3betting me already.
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  • clubhammerclubhammer
    edited June 2012
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest:
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest : This is why i believe clashing with regs of similar standards at NL4 is a good thing when your gearing to move up.

    Its been hard to avoid the regs & higher level players this weekend, I've had yourself Don and several other forum regs on my tables this weekend including a session with Dohhhhhhh today.
    I'm only up 1 BI this month so far, having lost loads running AA into 29os etc etc - at least you're not likely to see the regs turning over hands like that!
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH
    edited June 2012
    did 2.5 hours 6 tabling today and finished +£31.....

    It seems abit tighter but that's not really a bad thing.

    bet/fold bet/fold bet/fold......

    So much value, and if I were to re-write the nl4 blog thing I'd change quite alot (although maybe not for newbies)

    There are alot of spots you can bluff, even multiple streets. 

    Not played any proper cash for 6 months, enjoyed the 'new' challenge! 
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  • The_Don90The_Don90
    edited June 2012
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest:
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest :
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest : This is why i believe clashing with regs of similar standards at NL4 is a good thing when your gearing to move up. Its been hard to avoid the regs & higher level players this weekend, I've had yourself Don and several other forum regs on my tables this weekend including a session with Dohhhhhhh today. I'm only up 1 BI this month so far, having lost loads running AA into 29os etc etc - at least you're not likely to see the regs turning over hands like that!
    Posted by clubhammer
    I think im about 4.5BIs up atm. Had a bad day today lost about 2BIs so overall June has had a decent start for me. Although i play much much less than yourself and Tintin. I can get exact monthly figures when im on the pc, atm im on Mels laptop.

    Ive had some interesting hands with youself latley tho, some of them am looking back at thinking what am i doing there.

    I was actually discussing with Dohhhh during a hand discussion session, When we both looked at our big winning hands and our big losing hands i said "I find marginals are more profitable at NL4 and the big hands teand to be the ones making up my losing sections. I cant count how many times ive lost with sets latley." Dohhh laughed said i wasnt making sense. This was when still looking at winning hands. We then looked at losing hands, funnily enough every hand he lost a decent size pot with was actually a bigger hand than the one where the winning hands where. The first 2 we looked at of his was AA & QQ.

    I think this level is just soo crazy, but would we really want it any other way?
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  • TINTINTINTIN
    edited June 2012
    day 5 summary

    opening balance: £133.98
    closing balance: £142.49
    todays +/-: +£8.51
    c4p 900

    a bit of an up and down day where i'd get a couple of buyins up then a couple behind, i think this happened 3 times at least today. can only recall 2 hands where i lost a full stack the rest were against shorties playing between £1 n £2, lost count where i ran a big hand into bigger between them. losing these soon mount up.

    progress has been slow going even tho ive played a huge amount in short space of time but this seems to happen to me every bank holiday weekend but i'd rather be showing positive figures than negative. i havent really had a good solid day yet but hopefully that comes soon.
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  • TINTINTINTIN
    edited June 2012
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest:
    did 2.5 hours 6 tabling today and finished +£31..... It seems abit tighter but that's not really a bad thing. bet/fold bet/fold bet/fold...... So much value, and if I were to re-write the nl4 blog thing I'd change quite alot (although maybe not for newbies) There are alot of spots you can bluff, even multiple streets.  Not played any proper cash for 6 months, enjoyed the 'new' challenge! 
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    i had noticed you were playing before you sat at my table. it was suprising to see u there. glad you enjoyed your experience:)
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  • SwogSwog
    edited June 2012

    yes, i must admit when i returned to NL4 a month or so a go. It has changed, alot.
    Not as tight and fishy as it once was. But that is probably something that can be said across the whole of poker. Poker is forever changing.

    So i decided NL4 wasn't worth playing.

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  • TINTINTINTIN
    edited June 2012
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest:
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest :
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest :  Its been hard to avoid the regs & higher level players this weekend, I've had yourself Don and several other forum regs on my tables this weekend including a session with Dohhhhhhh today. I'm only up 1 BI this month so far, having lost loads running AA into 29os etc etc - at least you're not likely to see the regs turning over hands like that!
    Posted by clubhammer
    sounds like your running bad atm. i have seen some tough tables over the weekend and ive been looking elsewhere, dohhhhh certainly didnt help matters earlier lol.
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  • The_Don90The_Don90
    edited June 2012
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest:
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest : sounds like your running bad atm. i have seen some tough tables over the weekend and ive been looking elsewhere, dohhhhh certainly didnt help matters earlier lol.
    Posted by TINTIN
    IMO you have to adapt when people like Dohhhh are around. Im happy to do this. Unfortunetly JJ knows me too well as was happy to snap me off light. The fish lol. Although this is because of how leveled i think pots can be between us.
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH
    edited June 2012
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest:
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest : IMO you have to adapt when people like Dohhhh are around. Im happy to do this. Unfortunetly JJ knows me too well as was happy to snap me off light. The fish lol. Although this is because of how leveled i think pots can be between us.
    Posted by The_Don90
    I wouldn't really agree with this, it's not like I was playing tonnes of hands and trying to win every pot, I was playing the same solid nl4 strategy as you and Tintin and all the over regs probably try to play.

    fwiw I was cascading my tables, I wasn't watching any of the action when I wasn't in the hand, and it was still easy enough to pick up reads/identify blind stealing spots etc....

    Anyone struggling with mini view/space to tile on their screen should give this ago imo. Will be alot easier with auto top up though admittedly. 
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  • TINTINTINTIN
    edited June 2012
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest:
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest : IMO you have to adapt when people like Dohhhh are around. Im happy to do this. Unfortunetly JJ knows me too well as was happy to snap me off light. The fish lol. Although this is because of how leveled i think pots can be between us.
    Posted by The_Don90
    i agree about adapting when faced with decent opposition but you can hunt out value elsewhere. sometimes this is harder when there are more decent players around and at times they can be unavoidable.
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  • The_Don90The_Don90
    edited June 2012
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest:
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest : i agree about adapting when faced with decent opposition but you can hunt out value elsewhere. sometimes this is harder when there are more decent players around and at times they can be unavoidable.
    Posted by TINTIN
    yer i agree with ur point. Yesterday was on of my more difficult games, had a few bad beats and coolers which obv didnt help, but trying to bluff dohhh probably didnt help either.
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  • harding10harding10
    edited June 2012
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest:
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest :
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest : This is why i believe clashing with regs of similar standards at NL4 is a good thing when your gearing to move up. Its been hard to avoid the regs & higher level players this weekend, I've had yourself Don and several other forum regs on my tables this weekend including a session with Dohhhhhhh today. I'm only up 1 BI this month so far, having lost loads running AA into 29os etc etc - at least you're not likely to see the regs turning over hands like that!
    Posted by clubhammer
    When I played through nl4 back in January I hardly played any regs at all. At the moment a table with only one reg on seems to be rare when I play. Are there less tables running at the moment?

    Had a poor month at nl4 for May, but making a tidy profit again relative to volume so far this month.
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  • The_Don90The_Don90
    edited June 2012
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest:
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest : When I played through nl4 back in January I hardly played any regs at all. At the moment a table with only one reg on seems to be rare when I play. Are there less tables running at the moment? Had a poor month at nl4 for May, but making a tidy profit again relative to volume so far this month.
    Posted by harding10
    Ive been able to avoid regs in recent sessions. Might be a time of day thing.
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  • TINTINTINTIN
    edited June 2012
    day 6 summary

    opening balance: £142.49
    closing balance: £165.23
    todays +/-: +£22.74
    c4p 1033

    less is more. i played a few hours less than i have been over the weekend and im even having an early night by my usual schedule and im definately feeling better for it. today was a decent day, fairly steady throughout bar for a short session this evening where i got a little spewy. there was a pot i had with AK where it was cooler central. AK v AK v QQ v KK. it was messy and a rather large pot where kings held.

    ive managed to bust thru the 1k point mark in 6 days which im really happy about, gives me a bit longer to play thru the 2k n 3k mark as these tend to be the hardest to put the hours in to acheive.

    heres hoping for a good day tomorrow
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  • pomfrittespomfrittes
    edited June 2012
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest:
    day 6 summary opening balance: £142.49 closing balance: £165.23 todays +/-: +£22.74 c4p 1033 less is more. i played a few hours less than i have been over the weekend and im even having an early night by my usual schedule and im definately feeling better for it. today was a decent day, fairly steady throughout bar for a short session this evening where i got a little spewy. there was a pot i had with AK where it was cooler central. AK v AK v QQ v KK. it was messy and a rather large pot where kings held. ive managed to bust thru the 1k point mark in 6 days which im really happy about, gives me a bit longer to play thru the 2k n 3k mark as these tend to be the hardest to put the hours in to acheive. heres hoping for a good day tomorrow
    Posted by TINTIN

      Very impressive Tintin, at this rate you could hit 5k C4P which is an awesome performance playing just NL4.
      It looks like the unbeatable IS beatable (but some of us already knew that). Keep it up m8.
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  • TINTINTINTIN
    edited June 2012
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest:
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest :   Very impressive Tintin, at this rate you could hit 5k C4P which is an awesome performance playing just NL4.   It looks like the unbeatable IS beatable (but some of us already knew that). Keep it up m8.
    Posted by pomfrittes
    cheers but 5k is well out my reach, i got extra by playing the extra happy hours that were running. every little helps lol
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  • SpikeladSpikelad
    edited June 2012

    You are doing well TINTIN keep it up,interesting when you say less is more it could be the way ahead for you,good luck anyway mate.

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  • Lambert180Lambert180
    edited June 2012
    Nice to see you've made a £65 increase on your bankroll (£75 if you include your C4P) in such a short space of time.

    Sort it out Don! lol.
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  • The_Don90The_Don90
    edited June 2012
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest:
    Nice to see you've made a £65 increase on your bankroll (£75 if you include your C4P) in such a short space of time. Sort it out Don! lol.
    Posted by Lambert180
    Sigh.

    I wasnt gonna post this here but since ive been baited.

    June for me,
    DateSession 1Session 2Session 3Total ProfitBR 
    01/06/2012£6.80£1.21£0.00£8.01£44.40
    02/06/2012-£4.06£0.61£6.02£2.57£46.97
    03/06/2012£2.26-£2.48-£5.61-£5.83£41.14
    04/06/2012£1.97-£0.73£14.23£15.47£56.61
    05/06/2012£3.16-£8.46£2.71-£2.59£54.02
    06/06/2012£11.31£7.20£0.00£18.51£72.53
    Starting Balance: £36.39  Total Profit:£36.14
    Cash for Points: 278.


    It wud seem sky has cut some of this graph off. So this is June for me in a graph.

    http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/9640/juneq.png

    The flat lineing is for days not played yet.
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH
    edited June 2012
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest:
    Nice to see you've made a £65 increase on your bankroll (£75 if you include your C4P) in such a short space of time. Sort it out Don! lol.
    Posted by Lambert180
    He/we are getting there!!! ;)

    I have genuine renewed hope that this time, It's not gonna go wrong.

    After 2 years, and 17,583 tantrums, and as a result, 17,584 different attempts, I finally have hope!!!!

    MON

    THE

    DON 

    !!!!!!

    tbf there I think this really is last chance salloon, if this one goes wrong I don't think it's ever gonna happen for Don as a cash player. 


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  • IDONKCALLUIDONKCALLU
    edited June 2012
    lol dohhhhh post has made me laugh tbh i played don a few times and from what i see he doesnt do much wrong plays aggresive when need be u do get ul alot but thats poker i never see u bluff all that much maybe im wrong
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  • TINTINTINTIN
    edited June 2012
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest:
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest : Sigh. I wasnt gonna post this here but since ive been baited. June for me, Date Session 1 Session 2 Session 3 Total Profit BR   01/06/2012 £6.80 £1.21 £0.00 £8.01 £44.40 02/06/2012 -£4.06 £0.61 £6.02 £2.57 £46.97 03/06/2012 £2.26 -£2.48 -£5.61 -£5.83 £41.14 04/06/2012 £1.97 -£0.73 £14.23 £15.47 £56.61 05/06/2012 £3.16 -£8.46 £2.71 -£2.59 £54.02 06/06/2012 £11.31 £7.20 £0.00 £18.51 £72.53 Starting Balance:   £36.39     Total Profit: £36.14 Cash for Points: 278. It wud seem sky has cut some of this graph off. So this is June for me in a graph. http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/9640/juneq.png The flat lineing is for days not played yet.
    Posted by The_Don90
    some decent results there, nice going so far, keep it up
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  • TINTINTINTIN
    edited June 2012
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest:
    Nice to see you've made a £65 increase on your bankroll (£75 if you include your C4P) in such a short space of time. Sort it out Don! lol.
    Posted by Lambert180
    im reasonably pleased so far. ive not had a golden day yet where its a 10+ buyin profit day. hopefully its just around the corner but slow and steady does the same job
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  • TINTINTINTIN
    edited June 2012
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest:
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest : He/we are getting there!!! ;) I have genuine renewed hope that this time, It's not gonna go wrong. After 2 years, and 17,583 tantrums, and as a result, 17,584 different attempts, I finally have hope!!!! MON THE DON  !!!!!! tbf there I think this really is last chance salloon, if this one goes wrong I don't think it's ever gonna happen for Don as a cash player. 
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    i hope that tantrum count isnt under estimated lol

    he does appear to be going in the right direction
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  • TINTINTINTIN
    edited June 2012
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest:
    You are doing well TINTIN keep it up,interesting when you say less is more it could be the way ahead for you,good luck anyway mate.
    Posted by Spikelad
    cheers mate.

    i played more to the hours i am used to yesterday whereas over the weekend i added some extra playing time around the extra happy hours. i think those few extras hours took it out of me a little and led to some silly sessions. i think i know my limits when it comes to playing time now
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  • MAXALLYMAXALLY
    edited June 2012
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest:
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest : He/we are getting there!!! ;) I have genuine renewed hope that this time, It's not gonna go wrong. After 2 years, and 17,583 tantrums, and as a result, 17,584 different attempts, I finally have hope!!!! MON THE DON  !!!!!! tbf there I think this really is last chance salloon, if this one goes wrong I don't think it's ever gonna happen for Don as a cash player. 
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH

    This time we will all play Don's 22 ! :)

    Enjoy....

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  • The_Don90The_Don90
    edited June 2012
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest:
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest : some decent results there, nice going so far, keep it up
    Posted by TINTIN
    cheers mate sorry for posting here but i was baited into it.
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  • The_Don90The_Don90
    edited June 2012
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest:
    lol dohhhhh post has made me laugh tbh i played don a few times and from what i see he doesnt do much wrong plays aggresive when need be u do get ul alot but thats poker i never see u bluff all that much maybe im wrong
    Posted by IDONKCALLU
    Cheers mate. Think if played you a few times cant remember much of them tbh. I do bluff but i reand to pick my spots. UKIPT proves that, effectivley a bluff gone wrong cost me £1200. :(.

    Tbh I dont think i played brilliantly either, patiance was never something i had in my arsenal until recently. Defo have improved of late.
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