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Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest

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  • edited June 2012
    i almost timed out when it got back to me pre, i was involved in another hand on another table and this table never popped to the front, i was lucky to have time to hit the call button never mind hit the 2 buttons it takes to shove. it is a spot i'd be shoving a lot. think a little bit of lag saved me a stack lol

    this is about the ak v ak v ak hand
  • edited June 2012
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest:
    i almost timed out when it got back to me pre, i was involved in another hand on another table and this table never popped to the front, i was lucky to have time to hit the call button never mind hit the 2 buttons it takes to shove. it is a spot i'd be shoving a lot. think a little bit of lag saved me a stack lol
    Posted by TINTIN
    Going by this being my third biggest losing hand, you won it lol. :) Its kool wasnt meaning for you to justify your desisions mate far from it, i just thought it was a very interesting hand. One of the more interesting ones ive seen at NL4
  • edited June 2012
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest:
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest : Going by this being my third biggest losing hand, you won it lol. :) Its kool wasnt meaning for you to justify your desisions mate far from it, i just thought it was a very interesting hand. One of the more interesting ones ive seen at NL4
    Posted by The_Don90
    i may have misled you by not replying to directly to a post. i was referring to the ak v ak v ak hand. sorry about that. i edited it now.

    yeah the hand we played i wouldnt be trying those things in many spots against the average player and certainly if it wasnt heads up. i got lucky on river and didnt think i get worse to call me. defo leveling. as you said it did turn out to be an interesting one
  • edited June 2012
    heres a hand from this morning. think i missed out on value on the river. both of us are deep and i hadnt seen the villian do anthing out of the ordinary. im not loving the c/r on the flop from the villian and i dont really want to put all my stack in here at this point with an overpair. i shouldda took the villians bet on the river for what it was, a stopper. it still turned out to be a tasty pot but could have been more
    bladvass Small blind  £0.02 £0.02 £1.67
    emson05 Big blind  £0.04 £0.06 £2.25
      Your hole cards
    • Q
    • Q
         
    D_river Call  £0.04 £0.10 £2.55
    Call  £0.04 £0.14 £6.88
    J1MBOE Call  £0.04 £0.18 £5.05
    TINTIN Raise  £0.28 £0.46 £8.81
    bladvass Fold     
    emson05 Fold     
    D_river Fold     
    Call  £0.24 £0.70 £6.64
    J1MBOE Fold     
    Flop
       
    • 10
    • 4
    • 7
         
    Check     
    TINTIN Bet  £0.53 £1.23 £8.28
    Raise  £1.85 £3.08 £4.79
    TINTIN Call  £1.32 £4.40 £6.96
    Turn
       
    • J
         
    Check     
    TINTIN Check     
    River
       
    • 5
         
    Bet  £1.00 £5.40 £3.79
    TINTIN Call  £1.00 £6.40 £5.96
    Show
    • A
    • 10
       
    TINTIN Show
    • Q
    • Q
       
    TINTIN Win Pair of Queens £5.92  £11.88
  • edited June 2012
    Yeah I was gonna say that I'm really shocked you didn't just re-jam pre rather than call, but you've explained that was due to lag/being distracted. But yeah lucky escape and a funny hand.
  • edited June 2012
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    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest : i may have misled you by not replying to directly to a post. i was referring to the ak v ak v ak hand. sorry about that. i edited it now. yeah the hand we played i wouldnt be trying those things in many spots against the average player and certainly if it wasnt heads up. i got lucky on river and didnt think i get worse to call me. defo leveling. as you said it did turn out to be an interesting one
    Posted by TINTIN
    Yeah the weird thing about that was i was just up when i commented. I went and watched some stuff i recorded on the TV last night before comming back on for my own grind while fast forwarding some ads, i thought ive made a mess of that, ive went and commented and hes talking about a complete diff hand.

    Fwiw i dont mind losing to you expessially when the hand has so many talking points, when i clash with some of the other regs its just big on big. These are the kind of hands that will develop us for moving up the levels. When we get there.
  • edited June 2012
    QQ hand is a good example of the 'pot control line' I mentioned in the blog I wrote ages ago :) What looks like a massive hand (big overpair on a safe-ish board v a limp/calling range) shrinks in value when faced with the old c/raise.

    I think with the combination of his turn check & river bet sizing, you can maybe find a raise on the river as he shouldn't really slow down on the turn with 44/77/TT which are the main hands we're concerned about on the flop. Also the river is a total brick

    I don't blame you for flatting though, as at this level we still can't rule out weird 2 pair combos, T7/T4/74s etc.

    Hand played well overall I think with your 'reads' or gut feeling on villain.

    Note that he overvalues top pair will be handy in the future though.
  • edited June 2012
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    Excellent. Good luck Mr Tin. Today's useless fact. I'm sure that back in the day there used to be a TV Series about a clever dog, called Tin Tin.  Good luck with the Diary, and at the tables.  
    Posted by Tikay10
    Think it was called rin tin tin, about the time of bill and ben:))
  • edited June 2012
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    c4p 351 Posted by TINTIN
    How do you get so many C4P per day. I know im only 4 tabling so tht might effect it, but my record for this month is 44 points for a day. Rekon ill beat that today but probably still wont get over 50
  • edited June 2012
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest:
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest : How do you get so many C4P per day. I know im only 4 tabling so tht might effect it, but my record for this month is 44 points for a day. Rekon ill beat that today but probably still wont get over 50
    Posted by The_Don90
    Play more. 


  • edited June 2012
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest:
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest : How do you get so many C4P per day. I know im only 4 tabling so tht might effect it, but my record for this month is 44 points for a day. Rekon ill beat that today but probably still wont get over 50
    Posted by The_Don90
    dohhhhhh has it spot on.

    in played for around 14 hours yesterday which is more than normal. i added extra playing time around the extra 2 happy hours that are running til tuesday. im gonna try an stick to the same schedule til then. im closing in on the 500 point toal just now, not sure if i will get 200 points like i did yesterday but will be close.

    when ive got it in my head to play and play theres not much that will drag me away. i had to force myself to log off at 2am
  • edited June 2012
    hi TINTIN,
    as u obviously enjoy playing so much,wouldn,t it pay u to play dym,s
    as the c4p are so much better.?
    i think i remember u saying u don,t enjoy them that much,
    but i,m sure you,d beat them easy...
    if i can do it,...say no more.
    just a thought.
    :-)
    dev
  • edited June 2012
    Hypothetical question,

    If you could grind nl4 on sky 6 tabling, and be gnteed a fixed wage/hours (the same as your last job for the sake of the question) would you be happy to do that and stop looking for a job? 
  • edited June 2012
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest:
    Hypothetical question, If you could grind nl4 on sky 6 tabling, and be gnteed a fixed wage/hours (the same as your last job for the sake of the question) would you be happy to do that and stop looking for a job? 
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    Even by Tintins high standards of this level, i think that would have to be a low playing job.
  • edited June 2012
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest:
    Hypothetical question, If you could grind nl4 on sky 6 tabling, and be gnteed a fixed wage/hours (the same as your last job for the sake of the question) would you be happy to do that and stop looking for a job? 
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    hypothetically i would rather play poker for 40 hours a week than work.

    reality. even to reach minimum wage for 40 hours i would need to have a win rate of 50bb/100 hands on 6 tables. even i dont run that good
  • edited June 2012
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest:
    hi TINTIN, as u obviously enjoy playing so much,wouldn,t it pay u to play dym,s as the c4p are so much better.? i think i remember u saying u don,t enjoy them that much, but i,m sure you,d beat them easy... if i can do it,...say no more. just a thought. :-) dev
    Posted by devonfish5
    yes ive stated before i dont like dym's. i really couldnt see me going more than a week if i was to play them. i reckon at best i would be a break even player. i could honestly say i would be my own worst enemy. yes the c4p i could rack up would be huge with the amount of time i play just now but i reckon i would be relying to much on the payout.

    as it is just now the c4p is a bonus on top of winnings. i set a target because i know how much i play and sometimes i like to push myself a little to see where my limits are.

    never say never, i may try a serious session at them one day but i enjoy the cash games just now
  • edited June 2012
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    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest : Think it was called rin tin tin, about the time of bill and ben:))
    Posted by drumahai05


      Correct sir, and the dog in TIN TIN was called Scotty i believe.
  • edited June 2012
    day 3 summary

    opening balance: £125.40
    closing balance: £136.08
    todays +/-: +£10.68
    c4p 523

    not much to say about today, it was mostly uneventful. i was never behind but at the same time i was never much in front. today was the definition of a grind. still showing a reasonable profit for today so i will take it.

    i managed to pass the 500 c4p mark inside 3 days which im quite pleased at. at least theres an amount on display on the widget.

    what will tomorrow bring?
  • edited June 2012
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    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest :   Correct sir, and the dog in TIN TIN was called Scotty i believe.
    Posted by pomfrittes
    Thought it was snowy.
  • edited June 2012
    Must keep missing you on there (been goin on about 12-1ish for 3 hours )- i know you said it dies down about 1.30 but ive found it ok with a good few games goin till well after 3 and done ok -

    Even thought about doin my own diary after reading yours although ive done it before and given up , but have had good start to month which makes it easier _ I would have to include dym,s satelies and everything seperate although i,ve mainly got back to cash thx to this thread in a way as NL4 is agr8rt game but gotta say it takes some discipline to do the hours your doin on 6 tables as well (looking forward to the rezising of tables) - can finally have more than 4

    EDIT - just gone 5am and still 3tables running at NL4 making it the most popular/played game 
  • edited June 2012
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest:
    Must keep missing you on there (been goin on about 12-1ish for 3 hours )- i know you said it dies down about 1.30 but ive found it ok with a good few games goin till well after 3 and done ok - Even thought about doin my own diary after reading yours although ive done it before and given up , but have had good start to month which makes it easier _ I would have to include dym,s satelies and everything seperate although i,ve mainly got back to cash thx to this thread in a way as NL4 is agr8rt game but gotta say it takes some discipline to do the hours your doin on 6 tables as well (looking forward to the rezising of tables) - can finally have more than 4 EDIT - just gone 5am and still 3tables running at NL4 making it the most popular/played game 
    Posted by MP33
    ive not had a really late night this weekend, i actually stopped at midnight there. probably why we havent bumped into each other.

    weekends will always be busier than weekdays when it comes to games running into the early hours of the morning. i just found a lot of tables break up and you end up playing short handed or having to move about a lot.

    i know things have been discussed about the amount of diaries that have started up but dont let that stop you if you want to start writing one again. it would give another dimension to what im doing.

    do you play in standard view? im always in mini view but 6 is the most i can do on my tiny monitor. i think i could handle more but the equipment cant
  • edited June 2012
    Fascinating read, I will follow your progress with interest.
    The thread title is amusing, as I know you crush this level, but with you on so many tables it may become unbeatable.
    Also there seem to be a lot of higher level players dropping down from time to time to prove that it is beatable.
    One thing I'd be interested in is your BB/100 rate, if you keep those stats. would love to see that included, but understand if you would rather keep that to yourself !
    Anyway good luck with the job search & keep running good.
  • edited June 2012
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest:
    Fascinating read, I will follow your progress with interest. The thread title is amusing, as I know you crush this level, but with you on so many tables it may become unbeatable. Also there seem to be a lot of higher level players dropping down from time to time to prove that it is beatable. One thing I'd be interested in is your BB/100 rate, if you keep those stats. would love to see that included, but understand if you would rather keep that to yourself ! Anyway good luck with the job search & keep running good.
    Posted by clubhammer
    thanks for reading.

    im only on 6 tables. when im trying to start a session mid evening every spare seat that pops up seems to contain yourself at the table, i sure your on more tables than me when you play:)

    i have also noted a few players dropping down. i said in previous post about my runner up spot in the open and the player who beat me. well i know at the time he was playing a lot higher as i'd see him on the tv tables quite frequently.

    tbh i dont keep detailed stats on number of hands i play or have a detailed bb/100 hands figure. im a little lazy when it comes to that side of things. i kind of estimate the number i play by how many points i earn. if i was to run some rough numbers off the top of my head it would be around the 15bb/100 mark but that is a very rough number. i really should start logging these stats myself for a more accurate figure
  • edited June 2012
    Hi TINTIN, havent played you for some time but i was wondering how long you are going to stick at NL4 as you are obviously a winning player at that level? If you are out of work at the moment and use poker as a means of earning a bit why not play higher? NL8 is easily beatable and i havent seen much difference on some NL10 tables, with your game i would have thought you would be fine and the extra poker points would be a nice boost at the end of the month. Just wondered why you have stuck at NL4 all this time?
  • edited June 2012
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest:
    Hi TINTIN, havent played you for some time but i was wondering how long you are going to stick at NL4 as you are obviously a winning player at that level? If you are out of work at the moment and use poker as a means of earning a bit why not play higher? NL8 is easily beatable and i havent seen much difference on some NL10 tables, with your game i would have thought you would be fine and the extra poker points would be a nice boost at the end of the month. Just wondered why you have stuck at NL4 all this time?
    Posted by DrSharp
    ive no idea how long i will continue at nl4 tbh. ive tried stepping up a few times this year but its hasnt went great so ive always returned back to where im comfortable. ive not played a lot of nl8 as there does seem to be much volume of tables that run so ive bypassed it in the past and went to nl10.

    at nl4 i dont feel fully comfortable til i have 40 buyins so if i was to adopt this to nl10 i'd be looking at having £400 in my account. im not 100% comfortable having that much in an account dedicated to poker atm due to being out of work. when circumstances change i would defo be trying the move up again.

    yes the increased points would be good and if i was putting in the same volume at a higher level i'd be making priority each month but from the sample ive played so far im losing there,not a huge sample but enough to get an idea. i dont want to rely on breaking even in the hope to get a decent payout from c4p. i'd much rather it be a bonus on top of winnings.

    til the time i step up and start to become even a little successful at the higher level im always gonna be lurking around nl4
  • edited June 2012

    i said i'd write the good with the bad well heres the bad.

    i settled down for the evening grind well the grind didnt last long about 40 mins. a lot of damage done in that time. i should have maybe stood earlier and saved myself a little but when i started calling a few iffy raises from the blinds i knew it was time. 40 mins 5 buyins down:(

    1 table in particular done the damage where i lost 3 buyins to the same person inside 5 mins. wont bore you all with too many details but it was AK v67off in pre, AK v KQ allin pre and then flopping a set of 8's on a J84 2 hearts flop getting all in v Jd7h going runner runner flush.

    think it was the fact that this happened so close together tipped me towards tilt. i tried to hang around but i started bleeding chips in silly spots. i didnt want to stand but it was best that i did before anymore spewed away.

    time to compose a bit and return in a better frame of mind

  • edited June 2012
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest:
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest : ive no idea how long i will continue at nl4 tbh. ive tried stepping up a few times this year but its hasnt went great so ive always returned back to where im comfortable. ive not played a lot of nl8 as there does seem to be much volume of tables that run so ive bypassed it in the past and went to nl10. at nl4 i dont feel fully comfortable til i have 40 buyins so if i was to adopt this to nl10 i'd be looking at having £400 in my account. im not 100% comfortable having that much in an account dedicated to poker atm due to being out of work. when circumstances change i would defo be trying the move up again. yes the increased points would be good and if i was putting in the same volume at a higher level i'd be making priority each month but from the sample ive played so far im losing there,not a huge sample but enough to get an idea. i dont want to rely on breaking even in the hope to get a decent payout from c4p. i'd much rather it be a bonus on top of winnings. til the time i step up and start to become even a little successful at the higher level im always gonna be lurking around nl4
    Posted by TINTIN
    Know exactly how you feel.

    I don,t know if you play any other games but i find its worth playing the odd satelite and DYM on here as well which mixes it up and have also started playing $5 or $10 dollar STT,s on another site (6 players and they they pay 1st 3 ) where i,ve got a nice little graph goin over about 100 games ( but i can use my HUD on there and pre-select games). I think my main site will always be Sky tho
     Then every so often try again at moving up from NL4 to NL8 or 10 but gradually - a bit like the Don said and as long as your rolled for it which you should be from your other winnings and NL4 until eventually you learn to bt it

    As for the diary i,m not bothering as i don,t like showing to many hands and stuff on the forum as it does advertise the wat you play a bit although it does have its benefits as well

    Don,t play more thn 4 table sat present due to overlay but hoping with th resizing coming i will try 6 at NL4 and see how it goes

    GL
  • edited June 2012
    day 4 summary

    opening balance: £136.08
    closing balance: £133.98
    todays +/-:  -£2.10
    c4p 701

    the day hadnt been going in any direction till 6pm and that fateful short session i described earlier.
    i returned but i started off a bit silly again losing a little and was down £26 from where i started the day. wasnt til late on before i started winning hands again. hitting quads several times helped and 1 pot was worthh just over £15. im actually pleased i can report a small loss on the day considering where i was at one point.
  • edited June 2012
    Just read through this thread, very interesting.

    Sick Grind

    Best of luck 
    You seem to be off to a pretty decent start. Long may it continue.    Hope to see you at the higher leveles in the future !    (sure you could crush nl10)   and c4p would be massive with the hours you put it. 
  • edited June 2012
    In Response to Re: Beating the Unbeatable - A Quest:
    day 4 summary opening balance: £136.08 closing balance: £133.98 todays +/-:  -£2.10 c4p 701 the day hadnt been going in any direction till 6pm and that fateful short session i described earlier. i returned but i started off a bit silly again losing a little and was down £26 from where i started the day. wasnt til late on before i started winning hands again. hitting quads several times helped and 1 pot was worthh just over £15. im actually pleased i can report a small loss on the day considering where i was at one point.
    Posted by TINTIN
    Quads seemed to have been common yest. I hit em 3 times getting paid twice. Dont think i had any pots as big as £15 tho.

    Keep it going mate
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