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a new year..a new game...CASH...still playing

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  • edited February 2013
    In Response to Re: a new year..a new game...CASH.. it's over for now.:
    Dev seeing as you had a v bad session at cash you have lost very little. Hope to see you soon at the cash tables. Build that roll up again and get your game going there again and come back to cash mayb and play 8nl 4 tables at a time or some thing. Any way gooduck mate
    Posted by shaun09
    thanks shaun,
    yeah,i did lose £100 playing nl10 one night didn't i, so apart from that i guess it really wasn't that bad.
    just feel like i'm banging my head against a brick wall tbh,which isn't much fun,then add my tooth-ache to that too.
    poker has always been about the money 4me,and losing just isn't acceptable no matter how much/little.
    i realise it's only been a month or so playing cash,and i'm sure it would get easier in time,so maybe i will try it again in the future.i am going to still be playing cash elsewhere where i think i have a better chance of succeeding for the moment anyway.
    best wishes shaun,
    be lucky
    :)
    dev
  • edited February 2013
    In Response to Re: a new year..a new game...CASH.. it's over for now.:
    Fair enough, full to you credit for giving it a good go. You lost very little money considering, must have beaten the rake by miles. 'Horses for courses' I suppose (well, apart from those going in lasagnes), maybe the DYMs are your best game and should be your home here on Sky.
    Posted by GaryQQQ
    hi Gary,
    luckily for me anyway i don't particularly like lasagne.  lol
    i think i did my best tbh,but as u say 'horses for courses' and all that.
    yeah,this is only a hobby and even though there is money involved,it's still supposed to be fun,and being honest it really hasn't been.
    i could continue playing cash and maybe i'll regret it long term not carrying on now,as i do think cash and tournaments are possibly and arguably the best way of making the most money.that said i'm sure there are still plenty of other areas that can be exploited to make money too,many of which i've not even looked into,as yet.
    anyway,best wishes Gary,keep up the good work on your challenge.i'm sure as with your last one,it's only a matter of time before you complete it,and the champagne comes out of the fridge...again.  lol
    :)
    dev

  • edited February 2013
    In Response to Re: a new year..a new game...CASH..1 month gone.. freerolls...no problem.:
    In Response to Re: a new year..a new game...CASH..1 month gone.. freerolls...no problem. : that is an awesome result dev despite your negativity you clearly can play cash just take what you have learnt on bet sizing and add it to your skillset on whatever you play next has been a great challenge to follow looking forward to the next one
    Posted by GELDY
    hi GELDY,
    thanks mate,
    i'm not so sure but i think i've improved at cash...just haven't quite cracked it yet.(still time...i'm only 53  lol)
    just can't see 'the edge' that is needed but i'm sure others have it and it is possible to make money obviously.
    i'm just going elsewhere for a while,but it's more than possible i'll be back here playing cash again one day...you never know.
    i'm also waiting for auto-seat & re-sizable tables to arrive here at sky,(lol)and then i can really get going again playing dym's,with my aim being to play 40 tables one day.  lol
    (even if just to say i've done it.  lol)
    besy wishes buddy,
    be lucky
    :)
    dev
  • edited February 2013

    been thinking about where to go next with my poker,
    so,have withdrawn £1,000 winnings out from my account.
    might treat myself to something...no idea what atm.

    b/roll now £295.56

    will play £3 DYM's as and when the mood takes me, and get back to 4 figures again...hopefully.

    for the moment though i am playing cash elsewhere....
    starting from $5,40 i am hoping to turn this into $1,000

    current b/roll $14,54

    i know it's not the 'done thing' to post up on other sites activities,but just thought i'd mention it anyway.
    that's all for now.
    good luck all
    (* *)
       ^
    dev
  • edited February 2013

    hi all,
    not played for 11 days...must be a record for me.
    really not been 'in the mood' i guess,but have enjoyed the break anyway.
    had a free entry into the £100 (£1.10) deep stack last night due to a'free bet token' from sky bet.
    was 11th went for the win...all-in pre-flop with my KK... up against AA,which would have given me chip lead,
    but,hey...no regrets.
    played 4 tables cash 1c/2c won $5.63  current b/roll $20.17 so going in the right direction.

    ordered a 55" 3D LG tv (£950) which should arrive Wed/Thurs this week,paid for from my sky poker winnings,so looking forward to receiving that.

    that's all for now.

    "be lucky"

    (* *)
       ^
    dev

  • edited March 2013
    hi all,

    quick up-date;
                         glad Feb has come & gone.didn't play much at all,mainly due to having tooth ache for 10 days solid,(thankfully now gone,saw specialist last Wed at my dentist's request.unknown to me she thought i might of had mouth cancer...aaagh.thankfully i'm ok...phew.)
          also been suffering some burn-out from Dec's priority dym grind & Jan's cash promotion grind.

    but feeling fit & ready to 'March on' (ha,ha)

    still going with my game plan of playing cash,even though it's on another site,atm.

    trying to turn $5 into $1,000
    been playing 4 tables at 1c/2c   b/roll now at $81.07

    (made a $60 deposit y'day and will get 5x$10 bonus free,just by playing,so once i've made that i'll withdraw the $60 and b/roll will be correct again.
    seems silly not to take it,doesn't it.guess it's no different than Skys c4p bonus)

    my March goals;
                           get back to some kind of routine
                           try moving up levels...if only to 2c/4c or 3c/6c(2p/4p)
                           possibly playing 6 tables,but no worries if i don't
                           keep working at my game...
                           ie;extracting max value from hands
                           trying to make fewer all-in/call mistakes
                           continue building b/roll...
                           not much to ask for,is it. lol

    best wishes everyone, 'keeeep grinding'

    (* *)
       ^
    dev
  • edited March 2013
    Hi Dev
    Welcome back

    Glad your tooth problem is finally sorted out.

    Good luck in March :-)
  • edited March 2013
    In Response to Re: a new year..a new game...CASH..($5--$1,000 current b/roll $81.07):
    Hi Dev Welcome back Glad your tooth problem is finally sorted out. Good luck in March :-)
    Posted by VespaPX
    ty mate....u2
    :)
    ian
  • edited March 2013
    Hi Ian

    Glad you're better.
    We've missed you posting.
    Always positive and enjoyable to read
  • _G__G_
    edited March 2013
    Hi Dev nice to see you back,

    Glad the results were ok from the specialist, you can now relax a bit and get stuck into your poker again.

    Good luck

    Glen
  • edited March 2013
    In Response to Re: a new year..a new game...CASH..($5 to $1,000 current b/roll $81.07):
    Hi Ian Glad you're better. We've missed you posting. Always positive and enjoyable to read
    Posted by Jac35
    ty Paul,
    yeah,not been much fun but should get back on track from today.

    had a long 1st session back today over 6 hrs all for $1.31 lol.
    still as i always say ' a Win is a Win lol

    best wishes buddy...
    :)
    ian
  • edited March 2013
    In Response to Re: a new year..a new game...CASH..($5 to $1,000 current b/roll $81.07):
    Hi Dev nice to see you back, Glad the results were ok from the specialist, you can now relax a bit and get stuck into your poker again. Good luck Glen
    Posted by _G_
    ty Glen

    yeah deffo good news,although tbh i didn't even know about the problem untill i met the specialist last Wednesday.
    so all's well anyway.

    best wishes buddy
    :)
    ian
  • edited March 2013
    GL Devon Fish

    I noticed you dropped down from NL10 to Nl4 . You should win at the NL4 . The only problem is you don,t really learn anything - Did you try the 5p action tables ?

    They seem to be a lot easier than NL10 and you can,t lose as much. At least you know you can always go back to DYM,s even if they are a bit monotinus. I,m sure you,ll be back in profit in no time

    Paul
  • edited March 2013
    In Response to Re: a new year..a new game...CASH..($5 to $1,000) (current b/roll $82.38):
    GL Devon Fish I noticed you dropped down from NL10 to Nl4 . You should win at the NL4 . The only problem is you don,t really learn anything - Did you try the 5p action tables ? They seem to be a lot easier than NL10 and you can,t lose as much. At least you know you can always go back to DYM,s even if they are a bit monotinus. I,m sure you,ll be back in profit in no time Paul
    Posted by MP33
    Hi Paul,
    i did drop down fron nl10 to nl4 after a bad session(lost £100), during the January cash competition that was running.
    didn't try the 5p action tables,but tbh i don't think i would have even won there either.
    i know that all of the cash levels are beatable,but i just can't seem to be able to make the break-through at any level,which i am finding very frustrating,to say the least.

    i'll give you todays example....
                                                been playing cash 1c/2c on another site.won 4 sessions in a row winning $21
    which although isn't very much,is still winning,and i was happy with that.
    today, trying to win more points for an extra $10 bonus(like skys c4p) ,i moved up to the 3c/6c (2p/4p) level and lost $32. (just withdrawn last $50 & closed account)
    it just doesn't make any sense to me.i don't think i played particularly badly but i guess i must have or i wouldn't have lost,would i.
    i know the level is higher but it's not a great difference in standard,certainly no better than the 2p/4p level here.

    so i guess it's 'back to the drawing board'....again. lol

    feeling low at the mo,so not a good time to be making any decisions.
    i'll chew it over for the next day or so and see what comes up.

    anyway,it's no big deal.it's only a game of poker after all,and a hobby at that.
    it's looking likely though that i'll be back playing DYM's again atm,i feel.
    at least i've got some idea how to play them.  lol

    over & out
    :(
    dev
  • edited March 2013

    See the ad out.


    "It aint over yet Dev, the way I see it, we've only just begun"

    ;) 


  • edited March 2013
    In Response to Re: a new year..a new game...CASH..is the journey over?:
    See the ad out. http://www.anyclip.com/movies/happy-gilmore/recoup/# !quotes/ "It aint over yet Dev, the way I see it, we've only just begun" ;) 
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    Ha Ha

    thanks DOHHHHHHH

    yeah....don't think it'll ever be over,well maybe when i'm i'm in that little black box.  lol

    (* *)
       ^
    dev
  • edited March 2013

    feelin a little better this morning after y'day.

    thinking back to some of the hands i lost KK to AA set of 4's to set of Q's that's $12 gone
    then i lost about 5 biggish hands to opponents flushing on river,must have been another $15 to $20 there
    that kinda day.
    then to top it all off,after failing to hit several flush draws myself,(with 2 cards to come,i should mention,not just 1 card),i folded the 2nd nut flush draw on the turn knowing i was behind against 2 opponents,only for my dream card to come on river,which would have given me $17  aaaagh.what is it they say 'it's all about timing'  lol
    (yes, i could/should have called but the way it was going for me,i felt saving the $5 it would have cost me to see river card was the better option at the time.still not sure now if i did the correct play there long term?)
    (think i did...$5 to win $17. that's $12 profit for $5 stake. less than 2.5/1)

    anyway,it's a new day...sunday. roast beef is cooking slowly in the oven,everything else is prepared,so happy days again.  lol

    still unsure as to where i go from here.any advice would be most welcome.
    my instincts are saying 'go back to DYM's'
    but i know that i possibly could make more money playing cash,long term.
    notice the word 'could'  lol
    i also know that if i don't make the cash breakthrough this time of asking,it's probably not going to happen at all.so that is a BIG reason for me to continue trying.
    just don't know how much more i can take tbh.i know it's only been 2 months but it really has felt more like 6 as it's just been set back after set back.
    but on a positive note,i've not actually lost that much money,(about £45 in total) so maybe i should give it at least another month or two.

    have a nice day
    (* *)
       ^
    dev
  • edited March 2013
    In Response to Re: a new year..a new game...CASH..is the journey over?:
    lol still unsure as to where i go from here.any advice would be most welcome. my instincts are saying 'go back to DYM's' but i know that i possibly could make more money playing cash,long term. notice the word 'could'  lol i also know that if i don't make the cash breakthrough this time of asking,it's probably not going to happen at all.so that is a BIG reason for me to continue trying. just don't know how much more i can take tbh.i know it's only been 2 months but it really has felt more like 6 as it's just been set back after set back. but on a positive note,i've not actually lost that much money,(about £45 in total) so maybe i should give it at least another month or two. have a nice day (* *)    ^ dev
    Posted by devonfish5
    Hey Dev, I haven't posted in a while and thought it'd be nice to show my face, I hope you are well. I can fully understand your struggle with cash. I myself was a long term winning sng player, long before I could even hope to break even at a reasonable cash level. It is often underestimated how different the two format of games are. 

    I think a lot of it is down to what you truly want. If you have the heart to do everything you can to become a winning cash player, there is no doubt in my mind you'll eventually get there. All I'd suggest is dropping the number of tables at the start, RIGHT DOWN and STUDY. There are a select few winning cash players on this forum that would go out of their way to give you key tips on your play if you provided them with some hands to go over. Perhaps most importantly is that you have to be comepletely critical of yourself, always looking to improve.

    When you play a hand in cash you often have a lot more options than in DYMS - you really have to think 2 streets ahead, think what cards would be good to bluff, what cards would be bad for us to bluff, how much you should bet in relation to our table image and given opponents skill. You have to be so critical of your game in every hand, always looking to improve, to get more value, to get away from hands other grinders can't. Push every edge you can. I'd heavily recommend analytical no limit holdem by Thomas Baker. I'd also heavily recommend reading the micro stakes cash section on 2+2 forum, because it'll open your eyes to a lot of common mistakes made by players. 

    All the best

    Pat



  • edited March 2013
    Hiya,

    have not had a chance to read the whole thread, what cash game are you struggling to beat 4nl or 10nl?

    Also what do you think your leaks are?
  • edited March 2013
    In Response to Re: a new year..a new game...CASH..is the journey over?:
    In Response to Re: a new year..a new game...CASH..is the journey over? : Hey Dev, I haven't posted in a while and thought it'd be nice to show my face, I hope you are well. I can fully understand your struggle with cash. I myself was a long term winning sng player, long before I could even hope to break even at a reasonable cash level. It is often underestimated how different the two format of games are.  I think a lot of it is down to what you truly want. If you have the heart to do everything you can to become a winning cash player, there is no doubt in my mind you'll eventually get there. All I'd suggest is dropping the number of tables at the start, RIGHT DOWN and STUDY. There are a select few winning cash players on this forum that would go out of their way to give you key tips on your play if you provided them with some hands to go over. Perhaps most importantly is that you have to be comepletely critical of yourself, always looking to improve. When you play a hand in cash you often have a lot more options than in DYMS - you really have to think 2 streets ahead, think what cards would be good to bluff, what cards would be bad for us to bluff, how much you should bet in relation to our table image and given opponents skill. You have to be so critical of your game in every hand, always looking to improve, to get more value, to get away from hands other grinders can't. Push every edge you can. I'd heavily recommend analytical no limit holdem by Thomas Baker. I'd also heavily recommend reading the micro stakes cash section on 2+2 forum, because it'll open your eyes to a lot of common mistakes made by players.  All the best Pat
    Posted by patwalshh
    ty Pat,
    very much appreciate your comments buddy.
    tbh i think i've maybe gone into this possibly with the wrong mind-set.i knew it was always going to be a struggle trying to beat this cash game,which of course it has been.
    there is so much more needed in ones armoury needed to beat this format than just having a 'tight' image and simply 'playing the cards' as i have been doing.
    i am going to continue with it though even though my heart is telling me to return to DYM's.
    i will look into other areas to try and improve and thankyou for the tips.i'll be looking at the 2+2 forum later today.
    i will also be observing some players in greater depth, at the levels i'd like to be playing at.
    best wishes with your game Pat,
    all the best
    :)
    ian
  • edited March 2013
    In Response to Re: a new year..a new game...CASH..is the journey over?:
    Hiya, have not had a chance to read the whole thread, what cash game are you struggling to beat 4nl or 10nl? Also what do you think your leaks are?
    Posted by calcalfold
    Hi calcalfold,
    both levels tbh mate.
    as to my leaks,i'm sure players i've played against would be able to answer thast better than me.
    i think it's basically the whole concept of the game i'm struggling with.i don't think i have any major leaks just a number of small ones,which once rectified should see me alright....well hopefully.  lol

    the only thing i have to cling onto is the fact that it did take me several 1,000 hands to get to grips playing DYM's,and i'm hoping that playing this 'crazy' cash game,will be no different.

    thanks for posting calcalfold.
    best of luck with your game too.
    :)
    ian
  • edited March 2013
    ok
    so i've closed my 888 account,and am back with all you lovely people playing cash here at Sky again...hooooray.

    felt a little happier with my game and how i played y'day even though i only played 2 tables at nl4 and won..yes WON £1.03 i know it could have been so much more had i not lost this hand....(see below)

    anyway,i actually enjoyed the session,maybe the 1st one,since switching to cash this year,so maybe there is some hope at the end of the tunnel.  lol

    anyway,see how today goes,i know just how up & down cash is,so i'm not getting too carried away,just yet. lol

    b/roll now £289.78  (down £41.94 this year.)

    c4p 49  lol

    b lucky
    :)
    dev
  • edited March 2013
     £0.04 £0.06 £3.90
     Your hole cards
    • Q
    • A
       
    Flqk Fold     
    Pepino Call  £0.04 £0.10 £13.75
    devonfish5 Raise  £0.20 £0.30 £11.54
    spinky6108 Fold     
    LARSON7 Fold     
    polplays Fold     
    Pepino Call  £0.16 £0.46 £13.59
    Flop
      
    • 7
    • Q
    • Q
       
    Pepino Check     
    devonfish5 Check     
    Turn
      
    • 8
       
    Pepino Bet  £0.04 £0.50 £13.55
    devonfish5 Raise  £0.31 £0.81 £11.23
    Pepino Call  £0.27 £1.08 £13.28
    River
      
    • 6
       
    Pepino Bet  £0.32 £1.40 £12.96
    devonfish5 Raise  £1.18 £2.58 £10.05
    Pepino All-in  £12.96 £15.54 £0.00
    devonfish5 All-in  £10.05 £25.59 £0.00
    Pepino Unmatched bet  £2.05 £23.54 £2.05
    Pepino Show
    • 8
    • Q
       
    devonfish5 Show
    • Q
    • A
       
    Pepino Win Full House, Queens and 8s £22.14  £24.19
  • edited March 2013



    woooohoo  won £9.06

    b/roll 298.84  (down £32.88 this year)

    c4p 65 

    2 tables nl4

    played solid,no big 'coke ups' tonight.  lol

    happy days...again.
    watching darts on Sky
    over & out
    :)
    dev
  • edited March 2013
    i do run good...sometimes.  lol
    ActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    morgz10 Big blind  £0.04 £0.04 £6.56
     Your hole cards
    • A
    • Q
       
    devonfish5 Raise  £0.12 £0.16 £8.87
    InoRookie Fold     
    Dormy4 Call  £0.12 £0.28 £4.07
    reap_sow Fold     
    morgz10 Fold     
    Flop
      
    • 10
    • 8
    • 3
       
    devonfish5 Bet  £0.14 £0.42 £8.73
    Dormy4 Call  £0.14 £0.56 £3.93
    Turn
      
    • 7
       
    devonfish5 Bet  £0.28 £0.84 £8.45
    Dormy4 Raise  £0.56 £1.40 £3.37
    devonfish5 Call  £0.28 £1.68 £8.17
    River
      
    • K
       
    devonfish5 Bet  £1.26 £2.94 £6.91
    Dormy4 All-in  £3.37 £6.31 £0.00
    devonfish5 Raise  £4.22 £10.53 £2.69
    devonfish5 Unmatched bet  £2.11 £8.42 £4.80
    devonfish5 Show
    • A
    • Q
       
    Dormy4 Show
    • 8
    • 8
       
    devonfish5 Win Flush to the Ace £7.78  £12.58
  • edited March 2013
    Last hand there.

    I dont like betting the turn as well, and like the call even less. My reasons:

    The 7, doesnt really change anything, whatever he was calling with on the flop, he will almost certainly call the turn, plus J9 has now also got there. Barrelling an over card perhaps is ok, sometimes. But the turn bet means now if you brick the river you either have to give up, or consider bluffing big on the river, and at 4nl thats just giving money away usually.

    Bet the flop, c/f the turn imo, or call a small bet if you think they will stack off should a flush card hit.

    That is not to say never fire two barrels, and you might have been right vs this vallian (i dont know) but just I wouldnt make a habit of it. An A or Q will give you some showdown value, but thats about it a lot of the time.

    Granted it does set up stacks nicely for when you hit, but tbh mate, at 4nl people often call an over shove all in regardless.

    all imo of course.
  • edited March 2013
    hi buddy,
    imo if u r going to play AQsuited then hitting 2 spades on flop is almost perfect to set up a big win.
    of course i know i'm behind here most of the time but it's all about 'risk & reward'.
    i was risking a little 14p on flop then 28p on turn,once i was re-raised on turn i knew i was behind but called that bet knowing a spade on river would probably get me his stack...which it did.
    yes,it aint going to hit every time but i played the hand exactly as i had planned from the start.
    :)
    dev
  • edited March 2013
    Dev

    In my opinion, you played the hand very well, prob bet more on flop but no problem.
    If you check fold the flop you look incredibly weak and exploitable.
    If you had folded to the ridiculous min raise then I would probably have had to terminate my friendship with you.
    As long as you're now barreling when you hit as well  (and not trapping as you were doing before) then the balance is good.
    If jack nine had really called you preflop raise then good luck to him. Obviously though we now want him to have exactly that as we will never lose any more money on a blank river and will get the lot when we do connect.
  • edited March 2013
    In Response to Re: a new year..a new game...CASH..i'm back:
    Dev In my opinion, you played the hand very well, prob bet more on flop but no problem. If you check fold the flop you look incredibly weak and exploitable. If you had folded to the ridiculous min raise then I would probably have had to terminate my friendship with you. As long as you're now barreling when you hit as well  (and not trapping as you were doing before) then the balance is good. If jack nine had really called you preflop raise then good luck to him. Obviously though we now want him to have exactly that as we will never lose any more money on a blank river and will get the lot when we do connect.
    Posted by Jac35
    ty Paul,
    ha ha,
    yeah,no way was i folding there m8.
    tbh,it was just a dream hand,and as i said 'played out perfect'..this time.
    it's nice when 'a plan' like this one actually works,as so often,they don't.
    it's still very early days but at last it's beginning 'to click' just a little,as it did with my dym game last year.
    i don't want to get carried away with it  though,but i'm feeling more confident than ever now,that this 'cash' game is beatable.
    best wishes buddy
    :)
    dev
  • edited March 2013
    wasn't going to play tonight...but after y'day's win,couldn't resist.

    won £8.64

    b/roll £307.50 (down £24.24 this year)

    2 tables nl4 1hr 15 mins play

    yiiiipee another win,just played solid again,when i went in ahead my hands held,which is always nice.
    anyway,happy days...not sure just how long this 'winning streak' will last,but enjoying it,as it's all been pretty much 'doom & gloom' so far this year.  lol
    (* *)
       ^
    dev
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