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Wasn't having a go at Dev and yes longterm multitabling will provide biger profits.
Just thinking 'walk before you can run'
Cash is fairly new to Ian and we're in all honesty not YET 'crushing'
totally agree, cash for points is a nice way of getting a reward for putting in volume. But the #1 priority should always be playing the right number of the right tables to suit your ability and style of play.
thanks as always mate for the feedback.
yeah,i know my c4p is low atm,as i've not been playing much and when i have only been playing 2/4 tables until now.
my point there was that some reg's are playing 10/12 tables every day and getting a good return from c4p so i was just enquiring as to whether i should play more tables,starting from next month now obviously and if the c4p is worth the effort.i guess i also need to be at least playing break-even poker first though.
yeah,again my game selection has been quite good at least up until y'day anyway.
i think i just got carried away loading tables once i got behind and should have known better.
another thing i forgot to mention and something that interests me is this;
most of my losses came from premium hands,as i've mentioned.
my stats show my number of wins and losses for these hands, for this session anyway, were almost dead on 50/50
so my point is this; is it really worth playing premium hands?
wouldn't i simply be better off playing them as say pocket 6's?
i know it's just 1 session,but it seems to me no matter how i play these hands, in the past and at the moment anyway,that making a profit from them i'm finding impossible.and it's mainly these big hands that are costing me so dearly almost every session.am i just being paranoid over them or simply not playing them correctly?
i've tried playing them different ways...all-in slow et,etc.
any thoughts?
dev
yeah,it's stil quite early days i guess,so u r right in that i should keep going for it.
i'd already made my mind up b4 y'day that i was going to play at least until the end of March,and will.
again u r right i am starting to push it,probably just too much y'day.
again know what u r saying about it having to become natural rather than thinking about it.
just a bad session,but i've has worse. lol
just going to write that one off and put it down to in-experience.
thanks for the support mate...it's tough losing at anything,when u r super competitive,as i am...especially when money is involved too.
all encouragement is much appreciated from yourself and jac35 and from everyone else too.
dev
all good points.( and i will take in all that u have said... ty)
yeah,i know i shouldn't be chasing back money already lost,but i really don't like going to bed 'a loser' lol
( when i first joined sky nearly 3 yrs ago now i was playing nl4 i remember 1 session where i was down the whole time but i said to myself i'm not going to bed a loser tonight.6 hrs later i showed a profit of 1p) lol;
see that's just the type of guy i am...and it's not 'all about the money'.
(oh and it turned out to be one of my most memorable and enjoyable sessions...ever. lol)
re playing strong/premium hands;yes i'm going to lower my initial raise p/f to 3x for the next session on all hands,if only to see how that goes.
i'm finding this whole cash game so interesting as there is just so much more to it than i ever previously imagined.
i guess it's a bit like a car engine...until it's all put together properly and all the bits are working as one,
it just gets you nowhere...bit like my poker at the moment...keeps stalling.(just like this old canary yellow ford anglia..bit b4 your time..lol i once owned.) lol
cheers buddy
dev
'just found out more times than not you will end up losing more,but i guess it's player dependant' ?
this isn't going in mate...could be the time of morning. lol
played about 9 tables to many i think ,last session. lol
been playing 3 or 4 last few sessions b4 playing 9 the other night,
how 'bout you?
night
dev
I thought I'd pop in seen as you're playing low stakes cash now and that has been my game of choice for the majority of the time on Sky.
This isn't meant to sound harsh but I think there's one major flaw in your thinking. Poker is a long term game, and more so than anything else cash poker is 100% about long term decisions. You seem to have real trouble with seeing the long term, and this is going to MASSIVELY affect your profits. It's kinda like when you said in a DYM when you have KK you shove cos you don't want a rag Ace to call you.
Every single time someone calls you with the incorrect odds, you make money, FORGET about the result, I know it's hard but you have to. Ultimately, you win at poker when you make less/smaller mistakes than your opponents.
I know you may have been in a bad place mentally after recent sesions so hopefully you know now how silly the comment was, but to say should you start playing premiums like 66 is just insane!
1. Definitely definitely, step down to like 4 tables absolute maximum. I'd recommend spending an entire month like this at least, focus on knowing that you can beat the games. Playing more tables when you're a losing player, just means you lose ALOT faster. I'm not saying you're a losing player, but you don't know yet.
2. Concentrate on what people show down with, when you did see a showdown, how did they play their bottom pr, how did they play a flopped flush, how did they play a set, etc etc. It will all help to know where you are.
3. Posts hands in the clinic, you've hardly done this at all, and there will be tons of helpful advice.
4. Read Dohhh's guide to micro stakes cash.
5. Probably most important, think about every single decision you make and why you make it (you won't be able to do this 10-tabling at the moment). If you're betting you need to know whether it's because you think you have the best hand and you can get called by worse or you're bluffing and can get better hands than yours to fold. Sometimes, you will think you have the best hand but there is zero point in betting because you will never be called by a worse hand. Don't get in to the habit of just thinking 'I have a good hand, I'll bet'.
yeah, u r right sometimes got 2 take your losses and get out i guess.
4 tables is fine playing cash mate.
i only bought a descent set up to play dym's really as it's basically the more tables u can handle the better.
be lucky
dev
yes,i got a little carried away and caught up in the moment the other night ...lesson learnt.
it's still early days playing cash and i know i'm making lots of mistakes,but i guess that it's 2b expected.
making more detailed notes on players is going 2b my next big target,so thanks for mentioning about that.
i have been quite disciplined in my play and tables etc, up untill now but i guess having the odd lapse now and again i can be forgiven for,i hope.
yeah,i'll look for dohhh's guide,don't know where 2 find it but i'll have a look for it.
just finding there is so much to take in just to be even a 1/2 descent player atm.
still got £330 to play with so as long as i can stay around that figure and at least not drop too much then i'm happy to carry on TRYING to learn to play cash.
i'm now thinking maybe i'm going to have to allow myself at least another 3 months or so b4 i even think about either making some kind of 1/2 descent profit profit,or b4 i think enough is enough,(sure there's a song there somewhere),and start to think about quitting and going back to playing dym's...again.
but that is the last thing i am thinking about right now.
again,what u say about thinking about the 'long term' in poker and not my results here and now is true.
(but it's easier said than done,as u say...but i am trying to see 'the big picture'...honest.)
that was my original reason for returning to playing cash this year...the long term.
i'm out of my comfort zone atm where as playing dym's all last year i was at home shall we say.,but it is becoming easier,day by day,so that's at least of some comfort and hope for me.
it's like a giant 10,000 piece jigsaw puzzle to me,and i'm simply getting the outside pieces in place atm. lol
then comes the tricky bit...filling in the middle. lol
best wishes with your game Paul.
(* *)
^
dev
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dev
If you are incapable of folding them when all the signs are your beat, then yes fold pre
Dont blame the hands, when its your play thats the problem.
and i'll let u have that one.
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dev
Sorry I haven't posted in an age.
Just wishing you the best of luck with this.
Don't play cash so cant give any real advice on how or what to do.
Pat
thanks buddy
dev
just could have maybe worded it better.
just taken a few bad beats playing them,that's all.
best wishes:)
dev
All the best
dev
Wednesday 20/3/13
played £100 gtd deep stack for £1.10
finished 20 odd i think..just outside the money.
nl4 1 table won £7.12 hooooray.
b/roll 312.46 (down £19.36 this year.)
c4p 560 = £4.48 to come
back to basics tonight.
happy to drop down levels and tables,if it means stopping the rot.
better to win £7 than lose £40 lol
used DOHHHH'S nl 4 guide notes,which seemed to work well.(so again...thank you DOHHHH)
could have just been beginners luck though,but will find out over next few days,i guess. lol
going to continue with the slowly slowly approach,just need to keep my discipline under control...this time. lol
that's all for now
best wishes everyone
dev
came 5/132 in gtd £100 deepstack hoooray
won £9.11 (-£1.10 entry)
profit £8.01
also played 4 tables nl4 lost £3.59
total won £4.42
b/roll £316.88 (down £14.94 this year)
didn't play so well tonight playing 4 tables.
also got distracted by deepstack tournament and chatting on 1 table,which isn't optimum play.
but hey,it's not like i do it every night.(so i'll let it go tonight.)
messed up a KK hand,i think.
i'll post it in the clinic.
still quite happy with another nights win,so no complaints.
night all.
be lucky
dev
eventfull night...
£100 gtd deepstack -£1.10
£500 b/hunter +£3.82 (inc -£2.30)
=+£2.72
cash nl4 2 tables won £10.55
total won £13.27
b/roll £330.15 (down £1.67 this year)
c4p 624 = £4.99 to come
happy with result.nearly back to level...again.
hope to continue playing nl4 for the time being,as it seems my game is more under control,ie;not getting the big swings,mainly losses playing nl10
happy with cash in b/hunter too,as i've not cashed in one before,from memory.
did lose a £12+ allin v loose player.aipf with AK suited opponent had AA aaaagh
but apart from that...all ok
night all
have a good w'end
dev
WD Dev mate nice to see those profits adding to the br
Still think your easily good enough for 10nl though mate but if your more comfortable playing 4nl for the mo that is the right thing to do
Best of luck
Daz
yeah,i'm sure it's a confidence thing as much as anything,but tbh there are some sharks playing at nl10,as i guess there are at all levels,so i feel more comfortable playing nl4 atm,and it's better to be winning a little than possibly losing alot.
i have been selective with my table selection tonight,and only playing the 2 tables,i was fully focussed unlike last night where i made a number of basic mistakes playing 4,so deffo think that helped.
best wishes Daz,
run good
dev
got it aipf v v loose player...just so happens he had AA this time. aaaagh