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Hand 2 - Why are we not 3betting with the 2nd best starting hand, especially OOP. Make it £1.20-£1.30 total. Once you've taken your chosen line, don't click back the turn. It's rarely gonna be good clicking it back imo, if it's for value raise more, if it's a bluff, it's often too small to work (and we don't wanna turn KK into a bluff here anyway)
Hand 3 - Again 2nd best starting hand, we should be 4betting. When we have AA/KK (especially at lower stakes) our goal is to just get as much money as possible in preflop (ideally all of it). Again don't click back the flop. I like the raise here on such a wet board when we're so likely to have the best hand AND we have Kd, AND someone with the Ad just isn't folding so make them pay as much as possible.
Hand 4 - well played, ul.
This seems to happen every time you move-up, whether it be DYMs, cash, whatever, despite the concencus on this forum being that you can beat those levels.
I'm starting to think your game is being affected by some sort of 'moving-up tilt', ie when the stakes are increased you drift away from your A-game. I have a copy of the excellent 'Mental Game of Poker' book here gathering dust. It might be useful to you, if you're interested let me know and I'll drop it round. Most players benefit a lot from a read, I certainly did.
i'll post some hands up. i know i played some badly so i'll post the worst ones
thanks for your thoughts.
yeah i found the higher money a problem to begin with but i feel more than happy getting it in now,if i think i have a chance of winning obviously,so i don't think that's the problem.
i'm clearly making mistakes and last night playing 6 tables for 9 hrs took it's toll,i think.
come the last hour especially it felt like i was playing a computer game and i was like a zombie simply pressing buttons for fun,which isn't good.
i'll hopefully learn from it though and get back on track.i'm still more than happy with my progress in general and i'm not going to let last night put me off too much.
it's all a learning curve and last nights lesson cost me £70.
i'm sure almost every player can relate to what i've been through at some time or another.
i always knew that playing cash would give me plenty of challenges along the way,and last night was just one of those.i'm also certain there will be more to follow and i don't expect this to be my last losing session either.
it's all about character when these things come along and how we deal with it.i've encountered similar problems when playing dym's last year.it took me a little time to crack it at the £3 level and i never made the breakthrough i'd hoped for at the £5 level which is i'd say is on a par with the problems i'm facing now.
so just maybe i'm not going to crack this either but i'll try my best.
if i don't then i don't,at least i'll have given it somewhere near my best.
this isn't life or death for me it's just a hobby,and worst case scenario is i go back to playing £3 dym's again and accept whatever i can make from them.
i could just as easily stop playing poker right now and take up painting or something,something i was reasonable at as a kid.
tbh mate i really think it's simply a better standard of player that's beating me.
yes the money involved is a factor for sure when you 1st move up but that gradually wears off after a while and once i'm into my game i try and play it exactly as if i was playing the lower level.(which in itself could be the problem,i don't know?maybe the higher levels need a different approach or more thinking is required?again i don't have the answers atm.)
once i've paid my £5.50 dym money or loaded up £10 for cash that's it it's gone from my account and i'm trying to double it up,win,etc.
if it was easy i'm guessing everyone playing would be able to win and make money,even though i know that's not possible,but i'm sure you know what i'm getting at.
isn't it something like 10% that win the rest either breakeven or lose?
be nice mate if you could drop that book around mate,thanks very much.i'm sure as you say it will help,and god knows i need it atm.
i'll e-mail you my address.
cheers Gary and keep up the good work with your challenge,you're doing brilliant.
dev
yeah i'll post some up in a mo.don't know where to start though there are so many of them. lols
i'm one of the biggest nits going mate as many will know,and playing nl10 with now only 25 buy-ins is a 1st for me.
it won't effect my game though and i'll play exactly the same as if i had 100 buy-ins.
if i lose another 10 it won't kill me and i can easily re-build going back to dym's.
i,'ve set myself this challenge and am just as determined to see it through now as when i started on January 1st.
if i fail i fail, but we're not there yet.
best wishes mate.
dev
identify the players that call down with worse a lot and then you need value bet a lot
There are a lot more players at nl10 that have it than nl4.
Get over the mindblock that nl10 is difficult because it's not, it's just not as easy as nl4.
also they don't bluff, unless you know for sure they are a known bluffer !
Be the player that has it and bets/raises and does not call unless oppo is a bluffer
simples !
i'm going to have to do more work away from the table i think if i'm to make any headway.
i've not done much until now if i'm being honest so today it all begins.
as i've said it's only a hobby but i guess i'll have to go through this process as i'm sure many of you other players have.
i usually 'play it by ear' and try and learn from my mistakes as i'm going along,but it's clearly slow progress atm,and something extra is need.
i've still got a lot to learn and i guess you can only learn so much at a time.
i'll continue playing nl10 and drop back to playing 2 tables.
i've got to also play shorter sessions and find a way of doing so.
by writing this down it should help me to do so...hopefully.
ok, that's it,yesterdays gone.i'll now move on.
i'm not looking back there is only one way to go...forwards.
i've no idea what happens next,but isn't that all part of the fun when playing this wonderful game.
over and out
dev
yeah all good points mate,thanks.
just a bad night at the office i'm hoping.think we all have them occasionally.
it's all so very different for me from dym's and i know i'm making silly mistakes here and there,which are costing me.
i'm also struggling to find any sort of playing time routine and this is having a major effect atm,i feel.
i'm playing way to long and added to that probably 2 or more tables to many,and it's simply a car crash waiting to happen,or just happened should i say.
it's a new day and i can't change what's happened, only what's going to happen from now on.
i'll hopefully look back on yesterday as possibly one of the best days i could have had,which sounds strange right now,but it could just be the wake up call i needed.
best wishes buddy
dev
Unlucky with the losses it will soon turn around.
I've nominated you for the forum game *at the top of the page*
There would not be a more deserving person than you.
I just had a brutal session 2, bit of playing bad and my last hand i ran a set of 6s, into a turned set of 7s.
Good luck mate
yeah,no worries.
thanks for the nomination buddy.
not much you can do when you lose set v set is there. ul
it's all there to test us. lol
best wishes
dev
few pointers
1. fold some of them J9 like hands, useless no need to play them
2. don't 3 bet 10's etc.. if you don't wanna get it all in - just flat -
3. don't overplay JJ on a Q1010 flop - what's going to call you - 99 ?
4. you don't seem to understand the concept that your hand may be beaten and struggle to fold big hands or what you beleive to be big hands - sometimes we have to fold or bet fold
You need to lay down a fundamental strategy (tight) to beat this level - certain range from certain postions opening and raising accordingly
You doing some off the cuff stuff - "o ok I'll call - you never know"
A couple of tweaks and you will start beating the level
1. tighten up whole range early position
2. play big hands aggressivly pre and flop - do not trap unless you have quads )
3. play marginals and mid prs with caution - open raise but don't 3 bet them
4. if you think your beat then fold (no shame in folding)
get the basic tight aggro game going and then you can open up some of your range etc..
TAG beats nl10 - simples
All looks abit tentative Dev.
Play tighter and more aggressive, more conviction with your 3bet and cbet sizing.
No limping when first in to the pot, and certainly no limping with big pre flop hands!
Good News = The problems you seem to be having are quite easy to fix!
1) Stop slowplaying
2) Keep bluffing to a minimum.
3) When you get raised by a passive player, re-assess how good your hand really is.
4) When you've got a big hand pre or post, just bet bet bet!
You're standard sizing postflop in most spots is gonna be around the 65-75% of the pot. Don't be betting like 30% pot cos you're scared they'll fold. If they got something to call with, then they'll call, if they got complete junk they'll probably fold to any bet anyway.
Forget worrying about losing your customer, your job is to make big hands and get maximum value when you do. One thing I've noticed is you like clicking back bets, just don't do this apart from in exceptional circumstances. For one, they look SO strong and while most won't notice this, more importantly it's just losing tons of value. If you're raising with say a FD then you want FE with it otherwise it's probably a losing play and if you're raising for value then you don't want them to put in an extra £1 you want them to put in an extra £2.50 or whatever. It comes back to worrying about losing your customer, if people will call a raise, they'll call more than a clickback.
tbh i thought i was playing 'quite' tight but maybe not tight enough i guess.(i guess there must be tight and real tight. lol)
1 i've been calling with a lot less hands in early position
2 yes i've got to be raising bigger p/f and on flop with big hands
3 yep more caution needed with pairs & marginals
a number of those hands posted probably came after 1am last night and i know i played some of them quite badly,so i'll use that as a slight excuse for 1 or 2.
i'll try and do better next time.
dev
glad there's some 'good news' lol
yes, it's all true what you say mate,
i think i need a new bigger white board to write all these notes on. lol
cheers
dev
yes all true again mate.
it all stems from playing so many dym games last year,where just getting a few chips here and there can make such a difference,rather than betting big or going all-in and risking your chances of cashing.
old habits are hard to break and i know i've got to do it,or i'll soon be back playing those dym's again. lol
cheers Paul,
run good
dev