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When that bottom tier starts to decline it affects the whole pyramid, everybody will suffer including those at the top. In my opinion shifting the balance a little in favour of the grass-roots players leisure players will be to the benefit of the whole poker eco-system, including those at the top. You can't quantify it, but if these changes encourage a decent boost in business at the low end, say people who earn 100-1,000 points per month, that means more money will trickle up to those at the top.
Some people you need to look at the bigger picture. Bending over backwards to keep high volume grinders happy at the expense of the other 99% of the player pool is little more than fools gold.
People who earn 500-999 who usually get 0.8p per point and now get 1p per point.
Cba writing that down for each level, but the players who get slightly more pence per point than they normally would.
And by the sounds of this thread, a few people are gonna benefit from softer games when all these regs move to other sites
I play DYMs almost exclusively and for March I earned just over 2000 points at 1.2p a point. Therefore the new system will give me 1.5p a point until I reach 7000 points. So I'm better off under the new system!!
After 7000 points however, under the new system I'll get 2p per point but under the old system I would have got 2.2p per point. As you get further past the 7000 points the differential gets worse and worse. i.e. 19999 points would now pay £400 under the new system compared to £680 (or £800 under priority +3 months) under the old system. That's the equivalent of 34% (or 40% priority+3) vs 20%. Thats a hell of a cut.
This got me thinking has this been introduced in response to the resizeable table functionality coming in?
I'll use my game as an example, my next move up would be from £5 tables to £10 tables and therefore my points could/should double to 4000 if i maintain the same volume. If i was then able to multi-table these at 4 at a time instead of two using the resizeable tables update then in theory my points would jump to 8000 points putting me into the worse off category i.e. above 7000 points.
That's just using my game as an example and im sure there's many more DYM grinders who are a lot closer, if not already above, this 7000 points than I am.
From my calculations you get the same return for your rake right the way up to 19999. There is no incentive now to push past any boundary until 20,000 points. Using some examples:
5k points - 500 rake - 2p per point - £100 reward - 20% return
10k Points - 1000 rake - 20% rakeback - £200 reward - 20% return
18k Points - 1800 rake - 20% rakeback - £360 reward - 20% return
So what incentive are sky giving dym players to play more once they get above this 5000 point mark - answer none!! The incentive to the player will simply be beating the game itself. Sky as a business arent encouraging anyone to spend £1800 compared to £500 using the example above - surely that's just bad business?!
I think the new system is good in that it encourages new players/lower stakes/lower volume players an incentive to play more but it's really going to cost those at the top end whose C4p's was a large percentage of their income.
I'm not 100% on the figures above as i am not overly familar with priority and the higher C4P's system so if I'm wrong on any of the above please feel free to correct me.
Whats the incentive to go for priority? faster payments, early payouts and the odd freeroll? hardly very enticing is it.
Last month I earned ~300 points. Under the C4P system that gets me zero, Rewards will give me £3.00.
My partner has been playing recreationally on Sky for 3.5 years, she earns 200/300 points per month and has never had a penny in C4P, now she will qualify for a reward every month.
Sky Poker Rewards is going to be a great marketing tool to attract and retain new players and recreational players who maybe opt to to play elsewhere at the moment. Surely an influx of these types would be good news for everybody here, including the Priority members at the top of the pyramid?
I have no access to any figures, but I'd suggest there are at least 100x as many players in the 100-500 point per month band earning nothing as there are players achieving Priority status.
Good luck to those leaving. You're going to need it at the sites invested with full-time rakeback grinders roboticly playing 20 tables each while armed with their HUDs and other software tools.
First: 10/11/2009
Last: 4/4/2013
£16.5k (£22k - £5.5k) a month is not "a bit" in anyones money.
I dont really know enough about priority to comment on whether the other promotions are genuinely worth going for. On paper reading them they dont really appeal to me at all and the big appeal/incentive of going for priority was the increased C4P's.
As I said before I'm no where near priority or even close to the 7k points were i begin to lose out in the old vs new systems so this is really other peoples fight but thanks for the replies in any case.
As usual the voice of reason.
Nice one :-)
again i know this looks like the stt regs are moaning but to stay we really need to know what priority is going to offer us is it correct plus 3 is gone too
i all so feel that we are wasting our times with these post
We genuinely believe this is a clearer, fairer and more wide reaching offer. It still rewards higher volume players more whilst involving many others who hadn't previously been able to take advanctage of it.
Thanks for taking the time to post.