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Can an old dog learn new tricks?

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  • edited May 2016
    In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks?:
    In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks? : Well they WERE back on track...... £90 of profit in 3 nights,. & a 60% games win week was snap followed by Monday, when I dropped a whopping £47.50, & won just 12 of 30....... Today, I will mainly be re-visiting my drawing board. "The Geneva of England"........ As it happens, Gill & I visited Geneva quite recently, & it was simply beautiful beyond words.  Gill happens to live in Stoke, too.   My main life memories of Stoke - Gill apart - was when I was working, going back to maybe 1980, or 1990, when they were building that wonderful A50 road which bisects the town now. I had to drive through Stoke almost daily, & it used to take 2 hours just to get through the town. Ugh.   
    Posted by Tikay10

    Short term variance. Daily results mean nothing. Maybe it was down to atmospheric conditions?

    I remember the Geneva trip and the much hyped visit to the Hadron collider, which didn't happen, because you didn't prebook.

    A50 - fast way out of Stoke, good use of taxpayers money that then. Apart from the fact that it takes you to Derby.

  • edited May 2016
    In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks?:
    In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks? : Short term variance. Daily results mean nothing. Maybe it was down to atmospheric conditions? I remember the Geneva trip and the much hyped visit to the Hadron collider, which didn't happen, because you didn't prebook. A50 - fast way out of Stoke, good use of taxpayers money that then. Apart from the fact that it takes you to Derby.
    Posted by Phantom66
    Atmospheric conditions, very good, very good indeed.

    Am surprised you remember my Geneva trip, but yup, you nailed it, I had hoped to go visit CERN, but it never happened. Instead, we explored the Swiss railway system, & very good it was, too, we even went up to the top of a snow covered mountain in a Mountain Railway thing which was all jolly exciting.   
  • edited May 2016

    Talking of short term variance, after Monday's debacle (won 12, L 18, 40% games won, £47.50 lost) I did rather better last night, winning 20 from 30 (67%), & winning back £23, which was half of Monday's losses. Felt good.
  • edited May 2016

    Traffic was patchy again last night, what with CL football, & the fine weather. Weather wise, we have to expect a drop in traffic now, nothing to be done about it. Even so, I managed my scheduled 30 games last night, so no complaints.

    We were joined last night by a player who we don't see too often in the PLO8 DYM's. Before I go further, I don't ever diss players here, & I don't give away their "game", that'd be unfair.
     
    Anyway, his name was "Trample", & I have him colour coded to oh-so rare "Purple", which denotes he wins over £1 a game on a significant sample size, in his case, around 6,000 games. His Sharky has about 10 different stars, included a gold one, so we know he's handy enough.
     
    With traffic light, & rarely more than 3 or 4 games on the go, I was able to take a close look at how he does it. (He played 4 games @ £11 & won 3 of them). 

    He plays 95% of his volume at NLH, so that was the first clue. It's quite rare for good NLH players to also be good at PLO8, & when they are, it tells us straight away what their strength is - aggression.
     
    So I was able to suss what he was doing, & found how to combat it, or to a degree. Not saying I can beat him consistently, but at least I now know what his game style is. Hopefully, he'll join us more regularly. 

    I also got slow-rolled with the abso nuts twice last night, by 2 different guys. I never said anything, never do, but what strange people these must be, to so delight in doing that kind of stuff.
     
    It was 2xPoints last night, too, so I was able to rack up 264 points, which is a lot for a midweek night by my standards. That takes me to 409 for the week. I'd like to get 1,000 points by c-o-b Sunday, but given the traffic & weather, that's highly unlikely, hard to get 150 points tonight & tomorrow, though might get a few more on Saturday & Sunday if the weather turns for the worse. Most likely end  up with around 800, which is £8, so not so bad I suppose. 

    All good.        
     
  • edited May 2016
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    Traffic was patchy again last night, what with CL football, & the fine weather. Weather wise, we have to expect a drop in traffic now, nothing to be done about it. Even so, I managed my scheduled 30 games last night, so no complaints. We were joined last night by a player who we don't see too often in the PLO8 DYM's. Before I go further, I don't ever diss players here, & I don't give away their "game", that'd be unfair.   Anyway, his name was "Trample", & I have him colour coded to oh-so rare "Purple", which denotes he wins over £1 a game on a significant sample size, in his case, around 6,000 games. His Sharky has about 10 different stars, included a gold one, so we know he's handy enough.   With traffic light, & rarely more than 3 or 4 games on the go, I was able to take a close look at how he does it. (He played 4 games @ £11 & won 3 of them).  He plays 95% of his volume at NLH, so that was the first clue. It's quite rare for good NLH players to also be good at PLO8, & when they are, it tells us straight away what their strength is - aggression.   So I was able to suss what he was doing, & found how to combat it, or to a degree. Not saying I can beat him consistently, but at least I now know what his game style is. Hopefully, he'll join us more regularly.  I also got slow-rolled with the abso nuts twice last night, by 2 different guys. I never said anything, never do, but what strange people these must be, to so delight in doing that kind of stuff.   It was 2xPoints last night, too, so I was able to rack up 264 points, which is a lot for a midweek night by my standards. That takes me to 409 for the week. I'd like to get 1,000 points by c-o-b Sunday, but given the traffic & weather, that's highly unlikely, hard to get 150 points tonight & tomorrow, though might get a few more on Saturday & Sunday if the weather turns for the worse. Most likely end  up with around 800, which is £8, so not so bad I suppose.  All good.          
    Posted by Tikay10
    I know it wasnt me because i never have the nuts but there seemed to be a lot of lag on some of the tables maybee this was the reason for slowroll i thought the games last night were good and the banter all seemed to be in good spirit
  • edited May 2016

    Bit of a left field one here, but this amused me.

    On another Forum yesterday, we were discussing how the bookies had taken a bit of a bashing (or not) on Leicester winning the EPL @ 5,000/1.

    Everyone had an opinion, but here's the thing - nobody knew, they were all amateurs, just punters, whistling in the dark. The complexities of a high volume Online bookmaker are immense. These businesses are run by very bright guys, believe me, it's real Level 6 stuff, & here were all these punters thinking they knew better than the bookies as to whether the bookies had taken a pasting. It's kinda like poker players who think they know how to run a poker site. To be blunt, they don't.
     
    Anyway, a link was given to a Blog by an insider, a Bookies rep (not Sky Bet), Nick Goff. And he wrote this absolutely golden piece.....

    “there has never been a sporting event that has produced so many experts in bookmakers’ liabilities.” 

    It amused me because, well, that's sometimes how I feel here, on the poker side, & we had a bit of that yesterday. 

    It's all well-intended, of course, but I do have to bite my tongue sometimes. 

    Carry on, as you were.  
       
  • edited May 2016
    Nice write up and nice one on the positive session!

    P.S. If I ever slowroll you it will be because I am having trouble keeping up with play not because im trying to be an %^&* :)
  • edited May 2016
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    In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks? : I know it wasnt me because i never have the nuts but there seemed to be a lot of lag on some of the tables maybee this was the reason for slowroll i thought the games last night were good and the banter all seemed to be in good spirit
    Posted by weecheez1
    It could never be you Cheezy, & I'd never suspect you would, you are not that sort of guy. It takes a certain sort of mean-ness to slowroll folks. Most of the PLO8 regulars could name the serial slow-rollers, & I don't need or intend to. 

    The atmo was good last night, yeah. 

    How many times did you bust me last night? 3, was it? Twice I walked into your Aces, & on another occasion you had me dominated at both ends & you held. Bang out of order, that. I was not paying close attention, but it looked to me that you had a tidy winning night.  

    Good to see you have sussed the "balanced hand" thing, which, when you began, was your big weakness. Another opponent to worry about......

    Talking of which, Markycash had a clean sweep last night in the PLO8 DYM's - 7 from 7. Only about 3 were against me, when I kept walking into his Aces. I really must stop doing that.     
     
  • edited May 2016
    In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks?:
    In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks? : It could never be you Cheezy, & I'd never suspect you would, you are not that sort of guy. It takes a certain sort of mean-ness to slowroll folks. Most of the PLO8 regulars could name the serial slow-rollers, & I don't need or intend to.  The atmo was good last night, yeah.  How many times did you bust me last night? 3, was it? Twice I walked into your Aces, & on another occasion you had me dominated at both ends & you held. Bang out of order, that. I was not paying close attention, but it looked to me that you had a tidy winning night.   Good to see you have sussed the "balanced hand" thing, which, when you began, was your big weakness. Another opponent to worry about...... Talking of which, Markycash had a clean sweep last night in the PLO8 DYM's - 7 from 7. Only about 3 were against me, when I kept walking into his Aces. I really must stop doing that.       
    Posted by Tikay10
    Ha yes it seemed you were intent on stealing my bb (i know this is not the case lol ) and everytime i had a monster and yes it was quite a good night for me not a lot of profit but i spotted a couple of things that would off passed me by a couple of months ago so education is paying off gl on the tables and remember leave the cheez alone lol
  • edited May 2016
    On a more important note, did you know that the world's largest duck, weighed Seven stones and had a wingspan of Fourteen feet? Proper amazing that.
    We're back for six days during the end of July, so I hope to fit a good few games in here and there. By then I imagine TK will have done his dosh in Vegas?
    Hope everyone is well.
    Good luck all (-1 obviously)
  • edited May 2016
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    I won't be able to take full advantage of the happy days promo either, sadly it is time to bite the bullet and get the last of my uni work out the way. I will mention again to Arez aka Pat about the games, not sure if he has given them a try yet. I will probably make a post on my FB and see if I can get a few across, the only problem is that the players on my FB are spread across the globe so only a few will be eligible to play on Sky. It's a pity as there are a lot of PLO8 players on my FB... Hope the show goes well! I will watch it when it gets uploaded to Sky's Youtube account. Have been watching quite a few of them, watched the grudge match with Ian Simpson last night. He came across very well. Cya at the tables soon!
    Posted by markycash

    Saw your friend in a DYM the other night, pretty interesting table with an eclectic mix regs, including Ger and County (they have somewhat differing styles :-) be fascinating to hear his thoughts....
  • edited May 2016

    Got to say I have been really enjoying DYMs lately. I really love the PLO8 version and adopt the “my strategy is that I have no strategy” which seems to work for me some of the time. I look around and note some like to sit out and only play AA or A2 until the blinds get bigger but i haven’t got the patience – and even when I try that seems to blow in my face.

    Time on the PLO8 tables have made my DYM 2 card game a lot stronger – I don’t know whether this is sheer fluke, or good training from Tikay or perhaps i may be improving. Anyway all I know is I enjoy it and the atmosphere on S&G tables is pretty good at the moment – when I work out my strategy I will be the first to let you know :)
  • edited May 2016
    Hello Tony, hope you are well and keeping the weight off before the healthy eating wheels come off in vegas.
    I notice you have achieved success with getting a £16.50 PLO8 DYM into the lobby.
    Did you get an answer as to whether we could have any Turbo PLO8's?
    Thanks,
    Andrew.

  • edited May 2016
    Definitely thinking the 2 card variety is doing me proud at the moment - the only blip here is my PLO8 :(

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  • edited May 2016

    ^^^^

    Good bump, Brian, what with this & that, I've been a bit busy lately.

    I'll try & get re-started, & reply to some of the questions. Really busy with under the table stuff right now - blogs & suchlike, but I'll do my best.
  • edited May 2016


    In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks?:
    ^^^^ Good bump, Brian, what with this & that, I've been a bit busy lately. I'll try & get re-started, & reply to some of the questions. Really busy with under the table stuff right now - blogs & suchlike, but I'll do my best.
    Posted by Tikay10
  • edited May 2016
    That's my excuse for not posting on here, what's yours teeks?

  • edited June 2016
  • edited June 2016
    In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks?:
    On a more important note, did you know that the world's largest duck, weighed Seven stones and had a wingspan of Fourteen feet? Proper amazing that. We're back for six days during the end of July, so I hope to fit a good few games in here and there. By then I imagine TK will have done his dosh in Vegas? Hope everyone is well. Good luck all (-1 obviously)
    Posted by Macacgirl1
    Morning Karen, & apologies to both my readers for lack of updates of late, I've been a bit busy with, you know, things, & stuff.

    Hope all is well with you Karen, also with your broody Son & of course Mr DoorMat.
     
    Quick "Team Plop" Update for you, & I have to start with some very sad news. 

    Think you may have still been here when we lost "happysilve", which was terrible news.

    Unfortunately, in April, "sparrolegs" passed away very suddenly. I know we always say this, but they were both such lovely ladies, & never said a bad word or harboured an evil thought. It's so sad, & so unfair.
     
    The thread about Caroline, aka sparrolegs, is HERE

    That apart, all is good here, & the usual crew are, for the most part, still here. 

    weecheez is a full time member now, & has quickly become very solid & proficient.
     
    We have a NKOTB too, "markycash", who has really shaken things up, he has an amazingly good game, & has made many of us realise - certainly me - that we needed to improve our game if we want to remain profitable. He's a genuinely good guy, too, ready & willing to help anyone with good advice.
     
    Not seen Eon on the PLO8 Tables much recently, he seems to have moved across to the Dark Side, & be playing NLH these days.
     
    The sole remaining Identical Twin seems to have moved on, too, not seen him here in months.
     
    Mr "You live in the same town so must be colluding" graces us with his presence now & then, & I've yet to see him say a nice thing about anyone or anything. Not entirely sure I'd like to meet someone so full of dislike for anyone & everyone.

    Generally, though, the atmo remains very good, & we rarely see any bad blood on the tables, & the players are a credit to the game, & Sky Poker.

    An occasional visitor these days is FILIPSEBO. Very unusual style, raises EVERY hand, & pots EVERY street, so we have to adjust our game v him. When he frequents the £11 & £16.50 tables (yes, we have a £16.50 table now) it gets a bit exciting, I can tell you, but at the moment he is mostly playing the 50p & £1 versions.
     
    "Adzbo" is another new regular, & a very good one, too, got a lovely "correct" game.
     
    The other regulars are all still here - Brian, AJ, Vespa, Lynn, Ger (who won nearly £1,000 over the last 2 weeks in Promo MTT's), Hendo, Phantom, Whizzy, Alexis, jorzar, Eddie, Chiggy, Penguin, botneck, & of course, dear beloved Jod.
     
    So there you are, a quick round up.

    Seriously, & I mean this - we miss you. *

    * May be untrue.

    xxx 



     
  • edited June 2016
    In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks?:
    Got to say I have been really enjoying DYMs lately. I really love the PLO8 version and adopt the “my strategy is that I have no strategy” which seems to work for me some of the time. I look around and note some like to sit out and only play AA or A2 until the blinds get bigger but i haven’t got the patience – and even when I try that seems to blow in my face. Time on the PLO8 tables have made my DYM 2 card game a lot stronger – I don’t know whether this is sheer fluke, or good training from Tikay or perhaps i may be improving. Anyway all I know is I enjoy it and the atmosphere on S&G tables is pretty good at the moment – when I work out my strategy I will be the first to let you know :)
    Posted by imber
    Always lovely to see you on the PLO8 Tables imber.

    Can you please stop calling me? I ALWAYS have it. *

    * T & C's apply.
  • edited June 2016
    In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks?:
    Hello Tony, hope you are well and keeping the weight off before the healthy eating wheels come off in vegas. I notice you have achieved success with getting a £16.50 PLO8 DYM into the lobby. Did you get an answer as to whether we could have any Turbo PLO8's? Thanks, Andrew.
    Posted by winshoes
    Hi Andrew,

    Not forgotten this, & it will very likely happen.

    The thing they are juggling with is that whereas Turbo PLO8's will certainly add more interest & players, it will split the liquidity, & we may end up with inadequate traffic in either.

    Anyway, bear with them, & it will very likely happen soon.
     
    I'll certainly support it - I'm not generally a fan of Turbo stuff, but if I adjust my ranges I think I'd be OK, & the beauty of Turbos is they it enables us to fit a lot more games (& thus more Reward Points) into a session.
     
    Hope all is well with you & yours.
     
  • edited June 2016
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    That's my excuse for not posting on here, what's yours teeks?
    Posted by GELDY
    No excuse, Gelders. ;)

    Good to see you back amongst us.
  • edited June 2016
    In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks?:
    Safe trip!
    Posted by Donttelmum
    Thank you. I'm ridiculously excited, more so than a man of my age should be, but I'm like a 5 year old on Xmas Eve.

    I've managed to lose nearly 3 stone in weight since Jan 16th, but the diet ends the moment I leave home tomorrow morning, & it's Latte & Sticky Bun City here we come.
     
    If the flight is on time, I'll be playing my first event tomorrow evening, the $600 PLO @ Venetian, followed by a $600 PLO8 at the same venue on Sunday.
     
    Gill arrives on Sunday, too, staying for 10 days, & we will head across to the Southern California coast for a few days, via SouthWest Airlines & the Amtrak Surfliner.
     
    In all, I'm lined up to play around 20 events (or until I run out of money....), & then, in early July, the Sky Poker Viva Las Vegas host team join me, then a day or so later, 40 Sky Poker qualifiers & their +1's.
     
    Fingers crossed I'll be sending back plenty of Blogs this year. For those not lucky enough to go to be there, Vicarious Vegas is the next best thing.  
     
  • edited June 2016

    As many of you know, I had been struggling this year with my game, & had not made a penny in 2016 when May started. At one point, I was nearly £250 below my January "peak", & I was really scratching my head to wonder what I was doing wrong.

    At my age, we worry about mental faculties failing, concentration spans, or maybe the game is too tough for me these days.
     
    markycash spent a lot of time helping me, pointed out a few areas where I was being exploited or could do better. I tried to adjust, & initially, it did not make much difference, but eventually, after adjusting some of my ranges (both opening & calling) & changing a few of my disciplines I started to see an improvement. 

    More follows.......    
     
  • edited June 2016
    Have a great time 
    Loved that LilDave qualified. Don't let him lead you astray. His scope looks rather good. Avg profit about £5k
  • edited June 2016
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    Have a great time  Loved that LilDave qualified. Don't let him lead you astray. His scope looks rather good. Avg profit about £5k
    Posted by Jac35
    Ha, fat chance of leading HIM astray.......

    Somehow, I can't visualise Lil Dave joining us for sausages on sticks & lemonade at the players Welcome Party, he has a season ticket to Spearmint Rhino I imagine.
     
    Have to say, the quality of players on his Table when there were 2 tables left was breathtakingly high, some of the most famous names in UK poker were battling it out.  
  • edited June 2016

    So, as I was saying, I'd had a bad time in 2016, & entered May £20 or so DOWN on the year.

    And then, this happened.....


    16th May, P 30, W21, L9, % of games won 70%,  Profit £30.20, profit per game £1

     


    17th May, P 30, W17, L13, % of games won 57%,  Profit £21.80, profit per game £0.73

     


    18th May, P 25, W17, L8, % of games won 68%,  Profit £41.75, profit per game £1.67


     

    19th May, P 21, W16, L5, % of games won 76%,  Profit £24.95, profit per game £1.19


    20th May, P 30, W17, L13, % of games won 57%,  Profit £2.15, profit per game £0.07


    21st May, P 23, W15, L8, % of games won 63%,  Profit £10.55, profit per game £0.46


    22nd May, P 19, W14, L5, % of games won 73%,  Profit £54.75, profit per game £2.88


    23rd May, P 26, W17, L9, % of games won 65%,  Profit £33.90, profit per game £1.30


    25th May, P 23, W17, L6, % of games won 74%,  Profit £35.70, profit per game £1.55


    26th May, P 20, W11, L9, % of games won 55%,  Profit £6.70, profit per game £0.26


    27th May, P 33, W20, L13, % of games won 61%,  Profit £40.15, profit per game £1.22


    As far as I can recall, I've never even had 7 straight winning sessions, certainly never 11 on the bounce.

    So I'd cracked it, easy game, & now I was over £300 ahead in 2016.
     
    I'm the best.

  • edited June 2016

    And the next 5 nights, up to last night?

    28th May, P 37, W20, L17, % of games won 54%,  LOSS £11.75, LOSS per game £0.32   29th May, P29, W10, L19, % of games won 34%,  LOSS £30.20, LOSS per game £1.04   30th May, P 23, W11, L12, % of games won 48%,  LOSS £19.05, LOSS per game £0.83   31st May, P 30, W16, L14, % of games won 46%,  LOSS £29.75, LOSS per game £0.99   1st June, P 10, W4, L6, % of games won 40%,  LOSS £16.05, LOSS per game £1.60

    I'm the worst.
  • edited June 2016

    And, I suppose there we have it - the absolutely amazing wonders of variance in poker.

    We win, we think we are the best, & then, along comes Miss Variance, smoking a pipe, & gives us a slap round the chops.
     
    Love this game, & the way it messes with our minds, & shows whether we have backbone & mental fortitude.
     
    Anyway, for now, I'm nicely ahead in 2016, but thanks to the last 5 nights, I'm over £100 below my all time high.
     
    If I play tonight, it'll be my last game until mid July, & it'd be nice to go out with a profitable night, but whatever happens, I'll enjoy it. I always do.
     
    The strange thing was I was almost pleased to see the 11 night winning streak end, as I was starting to play defensively, to protect the run. And that's no good.
     
    I'll be pleased to see the 5 night losing streak end, too, not sure I've ever done that before, either. 

    The miracles & power of variance. 
     
  • edited June 2016
    gl Tikay but most of all enjoy :)
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