Can an old dog learn new tricks?

gerardirl

How about your % win rate for plo8 dyms with a minimum of 100 games to play to count for final table results?

I can shark results pretty quickly if we want to count games this way? I have 150 searches a day and its no trouble once i have the list of entries.

I dont want to make it too complicated but if you wanted to weight it on buy ins you could apply a simple formula.

Multiply win % on £1 or lower by 1

Multiply win % on £3 by 1.01

for £5 by 1.02

for £11 by 1.03

So if you win 50% of your games on £1 or lower you would score 50%

If you win 50% on £11 games you score £11 * 1.03 = 51.5%

Anyhow Im easy either way whatever everyone else wants.

Its no trouble applying the formulas to peoples scores if you choose to do this.

Ger

VespaPX

I think a simple win/loss would be just fine across all buy-ins.

eg

Played 100
Won 55
Lost 45

Macacgirl1

In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks?:

I think a simple win/loss would be just fine across all buy-ins. eg Played 100 Won 55 Lost 45
Posted by VespaPX

yes.

gerardirl

Sounds good I will spread the word

Ger

Macacgirl1

New thread started, if you want in, please leave a message there.

Any more takers?

Ploppers 100 Club (so far)

Macacgirl1
Vespapx
Chris Mc
Churchy18
Enut
Gerardirl
Pompeynic
Glenelg
Phantom66
Geldy

eon1961

In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks?:

New thread started, if you want in, please leave a message there. Any more takers? Ploppers 100 Club (so far) Macacgirl1 Vespapx Chris Mc Churchy18 Enut Gerardirl Pompeynic Glenelg Phantom66 Geldy
Posted by Macacgirl1

You can count me in,just be gentle with me.

Tikay10

In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks?:

In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks? : You can count me in,just be gentle with me.
Posted by eon1961

Sorry, but there is an upper age limit, & you are way too old.

Maybe there could be a special prize for "Best OAP?"

eon1961

In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks?:

In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks? : Sorry, but there is an upper age limit, & you are way too old. Maybe there could be a special prize for "Best OAP?"
Posted by Tikay10

Your only saying that because I pinched a wheel off your zimmer frame.

churchy18

In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks?:

Can I be added please, someone has to come bottom after all!
Posted by Enut

got that place covered here you can be 2nd ....last :@)

Tikay10

I'd best get up to date on my Daily Numbers, not done them for 3 days.

Look away now, ugly stuff, am in the midst of a proper full blown downswong.

We go UP

We go DOWN
 
We go UP

We go DOWN

Hope there is plenty of red ink in the cartridge.......

Tikay10

21st October.

Played 31

£3 P18, W10 L8

£5.50 P10 W6, L4

£11 P3 W1 L2

Won/Lost £4.70

PROFIT/LOSS per game = £0.15

October, % of Games Won

£3.30, 113 from 193 = 59%

£5.50, 59 from 105 = 56%

£11, 19 from 29 - 66%


Played 326, W191 L135 (59%)

October Overall PROFIT/LOSS £139.00

PROFIT/LOSS per game = £0.43


Account Balance £1,389.70

Tikay10

23rd October.

Played 39

£3 P19, W6 L13

£5.50 P15 W7, L8

£11 P5 W3 L2

Won/Lost £34.20

PROFIT/LOSS per game = £0.88

October, % of Games Won

£3.30, 119 from 212 = 56%

£5.50, 66 from 120 = 55%

£11, 22 from 34 - 65%


Played 365, W207 L158 (57%)

October Overall PROFIT/LOSS £104.80

PROFIT/LOSS per game = £0.29


Account Balance £1,355.50

Tikay10

24th October.

Played 37

£3 P15, W7 L8

£5.50 P15 W5, L10

£11 P7 W4 L3

Won/Lost £33.00

PROFIT/LOSS per game = £0.89

October, % of Games Won

£3.30, 126 from 227 = 55%

£5.50, 71 from 135 = 53%

£11.00 26 from 41 - 63%


Played 402, W223 L179 (55%)

October Overall PROFIT/LOSS £71.80

PROFIT/LOSS per game = £0.18


Account Balance £1,318.50

Tikay10

£70 went south in 3 sessions, marv.

Oddly, I'm really happy with how I am playing at the moment. Made a few mistakes, sure, but in 107 games over 3 sessions thats inevitable.

We can delude ourselves into thinking "it's just vartiance", but I think it is. We shall see.

One night last week I won 14 games from 15, & never played particularly well - the cards just fell nicely, & my hands held up.
The last 3 nights, I've been getting it in good almost every time, & still coming out bad. We get 2 "shots" in a PLO8 showdown, the high & the low, so if we have, say, A-K-2-3 v A-Q 2-4 we need to be really unlucky to lose both, but thats been happening.

I had a lovely Combo (Hi & Low) hand yesterday & bet all the way, even though I was still only drawing. My man called me with a near identical hand., but pinged his dangler!We can BET with air, but it makes no sense to CALL with air, so those ones sting a bit. But we WANT those bad calls, so I don't mind when they hit.

I was actually £70 in the hole at one stage last night, then found a bit of form & pulled almost all of it back, but thern I lost the last 2 games (£11 & £5) which would have got me all square on the night. At one stage I was losing the £5 games by 9-1!

Fun times, & I'm really loving the challenge of beating (or not....) this lovely game.

Nice atmo on all the tables last night, no bad blood, no moany-woany stuff, lovely. 

Amazing how, on the whole, PLO8 players accept horrendous bad beats without saying a word, they just get how poker works. You rarely see any stuff from  the PLO8 crew in the "Bad Beat" board, they just get on with it. Proper poker players.  

Tikay10

There is one lovely chap - real nice guy - but he does not quite understand how PLO or PLO8 differ from NLH, in that he gets caught, time after time, with the "under" Full House & gets bust.

If we are 3 way, & the board pairs, there is a GOOD chance that 2 players have the full house, & yet he can't grasp this.

"Typical Sky Poker, TWO full houses in one hand".

But it's absolutely standard.
 
And no, it's hard to fold the Under House, it MAY be good, but generally, the betting should give us a clue, & if we have the bad house, just flat, we don't HAVE to re-shove.

I'd love to meet him, or talk to him, to help him understand this, as it does spoil his enjoyment.  

Chris_Mc

Hi tikay and all other plo8 players, having a little practice on plo8, so heres a few hands from the first game? just curious, if I should be playing these or not or some that im folding too.

this was  the exit hand, I figured im calling the 2 pair, that I have, but with the pot and what was left behind I shove hopefully too take it down right there.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
eon1961	Small blind		100.00	100.00	2231.25
avonmum	Big blind		200.00	300.00	2371.25
	Your hole cards	J A 5 3
Chris_Mc	Call		200.00	500.00	1857.50
Rigoletto	Fold
gerardirl	Fold
eon1961	Fold
avonmum	Check
Flop
		J 5 A
avonmum	Bet		500.00	1000.00	1871.25
Chris_Mc	All-in		1857.50	2857.50	0.00
avonmum	Call		1357.50	4215.00	513.75
avonmum	Show	Q 2 Q 4
Chris_Mc	Show	J A 5 3
Turn
		9
River
		Q
avonmum	Win high	Flush to the Ace	4215.00		4728.75
	No qualifying low hand

should I be in this? and should I be calling if I shoul rather than fold?

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
Rigoletto	Small blind		75.00	75.00	1415.00
gerardirl	Big blind		150.00	225.00	4000.00
	Your hole cards	Q A K 9
eon1961	Fold
avonmum	Fold
Chris_Mc	Raise		300.00	525.00	2120.00
Rigoletto	Fold
gerardirl	Call		150.00	675.00	3850.00
Flop
		2 3 9
gerardirl	Bet		506.25	1181.25	3343.75
Chris_Mc	Fold
gerardirl	Muck
gerardirl	Win		675.00		4018.75
gerardirl	Return		506.25

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
avonmum	Small blind		25.00	25.00	2015.00
Chris_Mc	Big blind		50.00	75.00	2180.00
	Your hole cards	5 A 4 5
Rigoletto	Fold
bigbob57	Call		50.00	125.00	140.00
gerardirl	Fold
eon1961	Fold
avonmum	Call		25.00	150.00	1990.00
Chris_Mc	Check
Flop
		2 8 6
avonmum	Check
Chris_Mc	Check
bigbob57	All-in		140.00	290.00	0.00
avonmum	Fold
Chris_Mc	Call		140.00	430.00	2040.00
Chris_Mc	Show	5 A 4 5
bigbob57	Show	Q Q 10 10
Turn
		7
River
		9
Chris_Mc	Win high	Straight to the 8	215.00		2255.00
Chris_Mc	Win low	7-low	215.00

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
Rigoletto	Small blind		15.00	15.00	1435.00
bigbob57	Big blind		30.00	45.00	2390.00
	Your hole cards	K Q 4 5
gerardirl	Fold
eon1961	Fold
avonmum	Fold
Chris_Mc	Raise		90.00	135.00	2090.00
Rigoletto	Raise		285.00	420.00	1150.00
bigbob57	Fold
Chris_Mc	Fold
Rigoletto	Muck
Rigoletto	Win		210.00		1360.00
Rigoletto	Return		210.00

gerardirl

In the hand v me, I had trip 3s and low outs so good fold there. Personally Id have raised preflop in the hand you lost v avon. He is a very aggressive player so best to put him under pressure from the go imo. It was an agressive game so personally i fight fire with fire in these games otherwise they will raise you everytime.

You played it pretty much spot on though from what i could see.

Just from the small bit ive seen i think you will be a breaking even or profitable player very soon. (if you arent already!)

Standard is tough though alot of good players.

Good luck

Ger

HENDRIK62

The real experts are probably sleeping off a hang over somewhere so i will throw in my tuppence worth, and hopefully when my analysis is shown to be totally inadequate, I will learn something 

hand 1.i made this mistake a lot when i started, look more at what you can improve rather than what you have, if improvements to your hand can also potentially improve your opponent then proceed very cautiously- your oppo has a flush draw and a nut low draw, you have 2 pr, but only a very opptimistic low so your only real improvement is to pair the board.

(also from experience in plo8, not very often these ploppers fold once they commit 1/3 stack like that on the flop ;-))

hand 2. definitely playable, but onviously no 'low' , as played IMO is fine, defo a fold all you have is a pr, overcards and a potential back door flush (sounds enough for me in a NLHE B/H lol) but your oppos range is going to potentially cover you and have a low draw, you are risking a lot for probably 1/2 pot at best.

hand 3. you have flopped the World, double gut shot straight, 2nd nut low (only an A3 combo is beating you)its a green light GII

hand 4. I think its playable (with caution), better double suited, but certainly worth seeing a flop in position. As played is fine in my opinion,  doubt rigolletto is betting nearly a 3rd of his stack with air, of course you could just repot and hope for the best ;-))

Looking forward to some of the real ploppers critiqueing Chris's original post and my analysis........be kind please I'm new.

Macacgirl1

Ger is right Chris, you'll do OK I think. Only mistake was your exit hand really. If you decide your hand there/any hand, is good enough to play (once the blind levels have jumped a bit) then it should be good enough to raise with imo. Case in point there, if you'd raised, you'd have almost certainly nicked the blinds, if someone had come over the top, you could still get away (if you thought your hand wasn't good enough) and live to fight another hand.
Good folds in other hands.
Ger is right too, lots of good players, lots of lunatic players too! So the game is hard to beat, but that's why we play it I think.

HENDRIK62

In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks?:

In the hand v me, I had trip 3s and low outs so good fold there. Personally Id have raised preflop in the hand you lost v avon. He is a very aggressive player so best to put him under pressure from the go imo. It was an agressive game so personally i fight fire with fire in these games otherwise they will raise you everytime. You played it pretty much spot on though from what i could see. Just from the small bit ive seen i think you will be a breaking even or profitable player very soon. (if you arent already!) Standard is tough though alot of good players. Good luck Ger
Posted by gerardirl

Ha Ger

Our post crossed, you would be one of the people I consider experts....so no rub down intended LOL

Thought you would have something nice in that hand, what do you make of my thoughts on the other hands?

Neil

Chris_Mc

Thanks everyone, played another at 60p so going too put some more up if that's ok?? again though was unsuccessful  I don't mean too hijack your thread tikay with plo8 hands

again if I raised here I think I take it pre... fault 1 I suppose

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
soultaker	Small blind		150.00	150.00	1532.50
xx	Big blind		300.00	450.00	2777.49
	Your hole cards	10 10 A 5
Chris_Mc	Call		300.00	750.00	1368.76
Essexmel0n	Fold
soultaker	Fold
xxx	Check
Flop
		8 10 2
xxx	Check
Chris_Mc	Bet		750.00	1500.00	618.76
xxx	Raise		1500.00	3000.00	1277.49
Chris_Mc	All-in		618.76	3618.76	0.00
xxx	Unmatched bet		131.24	3487.52	1408.73
xxx	Show	8 8 6 3
Chris_Mc	Show	10 10 A 5
Turn
		4
River
		5
xxx	Win high	Straight to the 6	1743.76		3152.49
xxx	Win low	6-low	1743.76

GELDY

Hi Chris,

Not bad, but I think you need to focus a little more on what is happening to the low. So in your very first hand you've multi-paired the board, which is good, but this has destroyed your liklihood of winning the low and hence scooping the pot. Finding hands where you win the lot is your challenge, so draws to the nuts, high & low, is what you are looking for. If on the flop you lose one side, then aggression will be your only tool for scooping. Otherwise try to get to showdown cheap, or bail if not possible.

Chris_Mc

OK, right played another couple,

warning; lots of hands

taking peoples advice on board hopefully anyway, things went a little smoother, still losing my head  on the low thing sometimes but getting there and trying too think what my opo has as well as my own hand. trying too take geldy'd advice as well looking too scoop the lot as well.
 
ill post some up and u can abuse as necessary lol. luck or just better play. im not too sure ???

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
nottm99	Small blind		100.00	100.00	2245.00
mangomax17	Big blind		200.00	300.00	4065.00
	Your hole cards	3 Q A 6
Chris_Mc	Raise		600.00	900.00	2415.00
Litenez	Fold
nottm99	Fold
mangomax17	Raise		1700.00	2600.00	2365.00
Chris_Mc	All-in		2415.00	5015.00	0.00
mangomax17	Call		1115.00	6130.00	1250.00
mangomax17	Show	10 A K A
Chris_Mc	Show	3 Q A 6
Flop
		J 2 K
Turn
		5
River
		4
Chris_Mc	Win high	Flush to the Ace	3065.00		3065.00
Chris_Mc	Win low	5-low	3065.00

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
Chris_Mc	Small blind		25.00	25.00	2085.00
skinsman	Big blind		50.00	75.00	1290.00
	Your hole cards	A 5 K 6
Litenez	Call		50.00	125.00	1525.00
robbiemack	Fold
nottm99	Fold
mangomax17	Call		50.00	175.00	2907.50
Chris_Mc	Call		25.00	200.00	2060.00
skinsman	Check
Flop
		3 4 2
Chris_Mc	Bet		150.00	350.00	1910.00
skinsman	Raise		650.00	1000.00	640.00
Litenez	Fold
mangomax17	Call		650.00	1650.00	2257.50
Chris_Mc	All-in		1910.00	3560.00	0.00
skinsman	All-in		640.00	4200.00	0.00
mangomax17	Call		1410.00	5610.00	847.50
Chris_Mc	Show	A 5 K 6
skinsman	Show	4 A 3 4
mangomax17	Show	7 10 5 4
Turn
		J
River
		8
Chris_Mc	Win high	Straight to the 6	2805.00		2805.00
Chris_Mc	Win low	5-low	2805.00

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
nottm99	Small blind		50.00	50.00	3045.00
mangomax17	Big blind		100.00	150.00	1745.00
	Your hole cards	2 5 7 6
Chris_Mc	Call		100.00	250.00	5810.00
Litenez	Call		100.00	350.00	1050.00
nottm99	Call		50.00	400.00	2995.00
mangomax17	Check
Flop
		2 Q 4
nottm99	Check
mangomax17	Check
Chris_Mc	Check
Litenez	Check
Turn
		6
nottm99	Check
mangomax17	Bet		400.00	800.00	1345.00
Chris_Mc	Call		400.00	1200.00	5410.00
Litenez	Call		400.00	1600.00	650.00
nottm99	Fold
River
		6
mangomax17	All-in		1345.00	2945.00	0.00
Chris_Mc	Call		1345.00	4290.00	4065.00
Litenez	Fold
mangomax17	Show	6 3 Q A
Chris_Mc	Show	2 5 7 6
mangomax17	Win high	Full House, 6s and Queens	2145.00		2145.00
mangomax17	Win low	6-low	2145.00

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
Litenez	Small blind		100.00	100.00	2575.00
nottm99	Big blind		200.00	300.00	2045.00
	Your hole cards	2 5 6 A
mangomax17	Fold
Chris_Mc	Call		200.00	500.00	5830.00
Litenez	Call		100.00	600.00	2475.00
nottm99	Check
Flop
		3 9 Q
Litenez	Check
nottm99	Check
Chris_Mc	Check
Turn
		3
Litenez	Bet		200.00	800.00	2275.00
nottm99	Fold
Chris_Mc	Call		200.00	1000.00	5630.00
River
		10
Litenez	Check
Chris_Mc	Bet		1000.00	2000.00	4630.00
Litenez	Fold
Chris_Mc	Muck
Chris_Mc	Win		1000.00		5630.00
Chris_Mc	Return		1000.00

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
Litenez	Small blind		75.00	75.00	275.00
nottm99	Big blind		150.00	225.00	2845.00
	Your hole cards	Q 6 10 10
mangomax17	Call		150.00	375.00	4515.00
Chris_Mc	Call		150.00	525.00	3840.00
Litenez	Call		75.00	600.00	200.00
nottm99	Check
Flop
		5 7 J
Litenez	Check
nottm99	Check
mangomax17	Check
Chris_Mc	Check
Turn
		4
Litenez	All-in		200.00	800.00	0.00
nottm99	Fold
mangomax17	Call		200.00	1000.00	4315.00
Chris_Mc	Call		200.00	1200.00	3640.00
River
		A
mangomax17	Bet		1200.00	2400.00	3115.00
Chris_Mc	Fold
mangomax17	Unmatched bet		1200.00	1200.00	4315.00
Litenez	Show	6 A 3 K
mangomax17	Show	J K Q 5
mangomax17	Win high	Flush to the Ace	600.00		4915.00
Litenez	Win low	6-low	600.00

VespaPX

Hi Chris

You may be better off putting these in the Clinic rather than Tikays thead.
Not many people read this ! :-)))


Only kidding TK

Chris_Mc

was thinking that, last one promise lol

only because a lot of the plo8 regs talk on here. clinic next time... promise

VespaPX

In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks?:

was thinking that, last one promise lol only because a lot of the plo8 regs talk on here. clinic next time... promise
Posted by Chris_Mc

Lol

Are these from MTT's?

Chris_Mc

no dym's

Talon

 Hi Chris. Just to pass what was on my mind when i threw that beat on you. Dont mind admitting to be the removed player.

 When i saw the run out i thought about the mistakes you had made. 

 You were the shortstack on the bubble just over 5BB at a high blind level. The only action you didnt really have preflop was to limp. Raise or fold. You want to double up or steal blinds here.

 It seemed to me that your only plan for the hand was to get lucky and then for me to get lucky as well but not quite as lucky as you so as to pay you off. This is not a good way of entering a hand at all. You are too short to rely on hitting the board before making a move.

 If you pot raise that hand pre, then all would have folded and you would have increased your stack by over a quarter without any reliance of the board going well for you

Chris_Mc

In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks?:

 Hi Chris. Just to pass what was on my mind when i threw that beat on you. Dont mind admitting to be the removed player.  When i saw the run out i thought about the mistakes you had made.   You were the shortstack on the bubble just over 5BB at a high blind level. The only action you didnt really have preflop was to limp. Raise or fold. You want to double up or steal blinds here.  It seemed to me that your only plan for the hand was to get lucky and then for me to get lucky as well but not quite as lucky as you so as to pay you off. This is not a good way of entering a hand at all. You are too short to rely on hitting the board before making a move.  If you pot raise that hand pre, then all would have folded and you would have increased your stack by over a quarter without any reliance of the board going well for you
Posted by Talon

Thanks talon,

reason behind this was if shoved im getting called by better, well I say better not sure how good this hand actually is pre-
 
so thought id see one .. try and see it cheap...

but instantly knowing at the end I should have raised and would've took it there.

appreciate all the advice given and try and fix all these leaks...

plumber anyone???

Tikay10

I hope to resume playing shortly (this afternoon/revening) after a 4 day hiatus due to being unwell. 

With only 3 days left in October, my October profit currently stands at around £70, so I would really like to get a wriggle on & try & record a few profitable sessions.

See you shortly. 

I'll get up to date with replying to questions, too over the next few days.