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ps xx to debs
Does this mean you are back with us Alan? I've missed you on the tables.. or er...under them!
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Whether I play or not I'm always under your table in spirit
I'm in the 8.15 deepie if you fancy it
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Yikes, some thread!
Bad calls, "muppets", "donks", moans & groans, it was always so, on every Online poker site on the planet. Always. Ever.
Some understand that bad calls are good for us, & have the mental strength to cope with them, others just get frustrated.
The weird thing - the really weird thing.....is that numerous Posts blame Sky Poker for this.
How extraordinary!
I saw a lovely play yesterday, by the way.
It was a 227 runner Tourney, & there were 51 players left.
It went All-In (he covered everyone), Call All-In, Call All-In, & then the BB, sat there with 5 x Big Blinds, called too.
The first 3 players showed......
A-A
Q-Q
T-T
The Big Blind (remember he had 5 x BB) had 8s-7s. And he won Pot 1, & quadrupled up.
Nobody raised an eyebrow.
It might surprise some of you to see the pre-flop odds, which were.....
A-A = 52.3%
Q-Q = 16.3%
T-T = 14.0%
5d-4d = 17.4%
So 8-7 man was SECOND favourite in a 4 way coup v A-A, Q-Q & T-T. So, if all three hands were face up, 8-7 man should snap call. And he did.
It was not on Sky Poker, by the way. It was a £100 Live Tourney.
ANY player who understands poker would call there in a heartbeat.
Note, by the way, that A-A man was only even-money. In other words, he was effectively flipping. He was a marginal favourite against "the field", that's all.
If we hypothetically added a FIFTH player into the mix, wiith, say, K-K, A-A man is now only 42% to win. So he is not even favourite in the coup. He has the best chance, but he's not favourite to win "against the field".
Funny things, numbers, & a fascinating game, poker. Those who can figure the stats & the maths do OK.
The first 3 players showed...... A-A Q-Q T-T The Big Blind (remember he had 5 x BB) had 8s-7s. And he won Pot 1, & quadrupled up. Nobody raised an eyebrow.
Well thats a nice if not brave play if I don't say so myself - Sometimes its not always about knowing your stats (but it does help) its about gut instincts. With 5 Big Blinds left and a giant stack up for grabs maybe this is your best shot of progressing further in the tournament.
Everybody Loves an Underdog - Just not in Poker it seams!!
I wonder how many other players would have made this call? or complained about it?
ANY half-decent player snap-calls there, there's no question about it. And the other players, who lost, never moaned or complained - they all understood the play was 100% correct.
People who think the best hand has a right to win don't, I'm afraid, understand how poker works. The maths don't lie though - over time, the maths will hold up. And those who get their money in good will do best. But they have to come to terms with the fact that the best hand does not, & should not, always win.
The legendary Garry Bush (European Player of the Year) in about 2003 always used to say that 80% of his 50/50's lost......
The thing was, none of the "Big Pair" boys chuntered or complained. They understand that if you play poker, these things will happen, & they are equipped to cope with a little adversity.
If you can only enjoy Poker when you win a hand, or a Tourney, it's best to play something else!
The WSOP Main Event is, arguaby, the best Tournament in the world. How long is it since the best player in the world won it? You'll need to go back a few years!
It's called variance, & every poker player needs to understand it.
So is 1988 the right answer? if not I will look up trains on google instead lol
Thanks Debs, & I wish you luck in the game.
The whole debate is very simple. The worse the opposition plays, the better it is. Of course they hit sometimes, but over time, give me a table of bad players, who "call" all day long, & I'd take them over good players any day.
I'm afraid the debate as to whether we should prefer to play better or worse players rather goes over my head. Calling Stations are always an irritant, of course they are, but without them, it'd be pretty tough to get by.
If people choose to go elsewhere to play because the standard of play is felt to be better elsewhere, I wish them well - I truly do.
Personally, I don't care who or how many people tell me otherwise. I'm very proud of the way the standard of play here is improving over time, & our record in Vegas suggests we ain't too dusty. There's no shame in bigging up our players.
BTW DAV SAID ARE YOU IN THE TKO WINNERS TOURNY 2NITE? IF SO GL
Ask any competent player, & they will give you the same answer, 100% of the time. It's THE dream spot for him, & it does not matter if he wins or loses - it's the best spot he'll ever ever find. Ever.
PS - Ever.
I wager now - when Dohhhhhhh & Co come on, they'll say the same thing.
Weird, but true.
It's hard to grasp the concept that 7-8 is better than QQ & TT in that spot, but if you think it through, it becomes obvious.
The TT call is the only poor decision there
1. None of the ''big pairs '' complained. Red-zone players should call in this situation, and knowledgeable players should not only understand it, but should be expecting it.
2, The expectation of winning/cashing often in tournaments is unrealistic. Cashing for the sake of cashing, without having your sights on ''the win'' can and will cost you money in the long run. Take a look at the cashing to number played stats of the top internet players. One in eight or about 12% seems to be the magic figure for profitability.
3. The best players don't always win tournaments, they just win more than the rest of us.