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Blinds 1000/2000 Antie 300
Fully appreciate that with your style you personally prefer to 3bet here, personally I would flat though with these stack sizes. If BTN opener was short then it is a different proposition.
I did conduct some of my own research a few years back (On Stars) which may be useful along the theme of the discussions we've been having.
I manually recorded what happened when someone raised from the various positions. (ie. did they get 3bet, called or did everyone fold)
I only did this when it was fairly deep into an MTT but not close to the bubble. (So I got a balanced results unaffected too much by ICM or stack sizes).
There is a total sample size of just over 500 hands, so not enough to be accurate, but a reasonable guide.
My results are as follows: (Cut and Paste from a word doc I created)
THE CHART BELOW STATES THE LARGEST ACTION THAT TAKES PLACE: FOR EXAMPLE IF AN UNDER THE GUN RAISE IS MADE AND THIS IS CALLED BY SAY THE BUTTON AND RE-RAISED BY ONE OF THE BLINDS, ONLY THE RE-RAISE ACTION IS RECORDED. ALL HANDS ARE FROM NINE PLAYER TABLES FOR MTT'S BETWEEN a $55 BUY IN and a $215 BUY IN.
INITIAL RAISE POSITION (NUM OF SAMPLE HANDS) TIMES 3BET TIMES CALLED TIMES ALL FOLDED UNDER THE GUN (100) 40% 32% 28% UTG+1 (73) 38% 33% 29% UTG+2 (85) 35% 38% 27% UTG+3 (71) 27% 30% 43% HI-JACK (67) 42%* 36% 22%* CUTOFF (59) 39%* 39% 22%* BUTTON (58) 43%* 35% 22%* SMALL BLIND (26) 42%* 23% 35%*
To assist with understanding the above if we take the UTG+1 position.
The chart above shows that of 73 occurrences when someone raised from UTG+1, they were 3bet 38% percent of the time, called 33% of the time and it folded round 29% of the time.
The most poignant information provided by this imo is:
1) UTG+3 seems by far the best "steal" position.
2) Button raises got 3bet 43% of the time from 58 occurrences.
3) The Hi-Jack, Cutoff and Small Blind were also 3bet VERY often, which shows you just how LITTLE respect LATE table position raises get on STARS, and how they are 3bet by a very wide range.
4) They are very aggressive on Stars
Admittedly, this is not enough of a sample size (particularly for the Small Blind, as it rarely folds round to the SB), but I somehow get a feeling these guys might be 3betting with 55 (and a lot worse), in the blinds against a button raise.
What we have to remember is that the UKPC was nine handed, with anties, and perhaps more aggressive players in general than we are used to on Sky.
Hope this is of use. Might prompt some interesting discussions anyway. :=)
Cheers,
G
Blinds 1,500/3,000 Antie 500 (Last level of the day)
SB checks, I bet 12k (into a pot of 24k), SB folds.
My Thoughts:
PRE_FLOP
It looked to me that the SB just wanted to see a cheap flop, so I raised to 10K despite only have 95o, as I was quite confident that he would fold. However, he didn't, he called. Opps.
FLOP
The SB checked and I felt duty bound to C-bet. I figured if he didn't have either a King, or a medium/high club, it would be hard for him to call.
He tanked for a while then folded. Perhaps he had a passively played hand like 55 or 66 or a medium club. I was quite relieved when he folded as I would have given up on the turn.
It could have gone horribly wrong, but I got away with one here. On the whole I still think the play is OK, but definately risky as I didn't know my opponent at all, having just moved to the table.
On the other hand, it did send out a message that I would defend/raise on my BB, which wouldn't do my image any harm.
CHIP COUNT: 206K (AVERAGE 120K)
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Feel free to post thoughts/questions.
Cheers,
G
However, 40% still seems high even despite the increased probability of a good hand waking up behind you because an UTG range should be very strong IMO. I play 9 handed very rarely but I imagine my opening range from UTG would be around 9% of hands. (66+, AQo+, ATs+, KJs+, 87s+) However, I think many people (and you yourself said you admitted to opening quite wide even UTG) open too wide from these positions and as a result people using a HUD will pick up on this and will 3b you wider for value. (eg. As an example - AK or even a hand like AJs or AQs probably shouldn't be a 3b against someone opening 9% but is going to be a 3b against someone opening as wide as 20%) - and because there is a pretty high chance of someone having these hands, this is why UTG ends up being 3b so wide.
Onto the most recent hand: do you always iso this large in the BB and would you do so with KK? We have position on the SB and we never raise the BTN to 3.3x - and we still have to get through 2 players there. Personally, I think it's OK (as I said before) to occasionally mix it up with a different raise size and make it a big raise with any pure bluffs like this hand as well as some value hands but if it's your stile to keep the same sizing then I would just make it 2.2-2.5x with my entire range.
I like the hand you chose for this play too. Suited stuff has plenty of value IP and HU when you keep the SPR high so I wouldn't raise with 95s but our hand is also not quite complete garbage and has some playability being able to flop gutshots/hit straights. I wouldn't iso raise with 93o for instance.
Of course if you know for certain he's limping wide and will fold to a raise then we can exploitatively raise complete garbage like 93o but generally most people's SB limping range isn't too wide these days.
Blinds 1,500/3,000 Antie 500 (Last level of the day)
BB checks, I check, Cutoff checks, Button checks
TURN
2s
BB checks, I bet 14K (into a pot of 33K), everyone folds.
My Thoughts:
PRE_FLOP
Standard.
FLOP AND TURN
The details on the recording were quite good for this hand, so I will transcribe word for word from my recording below:
"It comes a deuce,6,4 flop, two clubs and I don't really like it, as someone has to have a pocket pair or flush draw or a hand that's connected with the board. So I just check, and it checks all around and then there's another deuce. Still not keen, but I feel obliged to lead out here, so I bet 14k, and fortunately they all folded. Tricky spot, definitely think the check on the flop was right, but the lead out, paid off this time, but not sure over-all whether it was a +ev move. It checked around so quick, and it was that, that probably gave me the sense that I could get them all to fold. And obviously the deuce is a good turn card as it's not likely to have improved anybody's hand."
CHIP COUNT: 235K (AVERAGE 160K)
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Next hand tomorrow, which is the very last hand of DAY1A, and once again involves Neil Channing.
As always, feel free to post thoughts/questions.
Cheers,
G
If we had AK with a back door flush draw here I think I would be c-betting 100%. The ability to turn a flush draw and barrel as a bluff makes it a much more worthwhile flop c-bet.
Blinds 1,500/3,000 Antie 500
The river is an Ace and Neil is unfortunately eliminated from Day1A.
My Thoughts:
PRE_FLOP
Neil deliberated for some time and then re-raised to 18K. This looked super strong to me as it was the very last hand of the day, and he certainly wasn't going to be folding his remaining 32K. So my thinking was, why just a small re-raise and not an all in?
If he had of shoved I would have shoved too ,as he could do that with way worse than AQ to try and double up or bust on the last hand, so he could re-enter the following day. But as it stood this re-raise to 18k looked suspicious to me, so I folded.
The button did decide to go all in, and Neil called. The button had the same hand as me, AQ, however he rivered one of the remaining two Aces, to knock Neil out.
Neil, as you would expect, took it like the gentleman that he is, and he later qualified for day2 on day1c I believe.
END OF DAY1A: CHIP COUNT: 227K (AVERAGE 180K)
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I'm going to give myself a week off. It may also allow some people time to catch up, as I know a lot of people have got part way through it.
I hope you have found this useful and feel free to keep the posts coming during the coming week.
On day two, I get into a lot of tricky spots and marginal situations, so it will be interesting to see everyone's thoughts.
I will carry on with Day2 in the beginning of July.
Thanks to all those who have contributed to this thread so far.
Cheers,
Graham.