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Thanks again!
I think we were meant to add a point for making the FT too which I think I neglected to mention in the monthly league page, so my bad on that one! I will change this now.
With the base points added, in a 30 player games the points for 1st 2nd 3rd and 4th would then be 35, 32, 30, 28 which makes a bit more sense.
Im not sure if scouse has worked in giving 1 additional point to players who make positions 4th, 5th and 6th? If not would it be okay to add this into the scoring and I will go change the wording on the league page? Sorry if I am giving you any extra work scouse I should have added this into the page when I typed it up.
Great idea Enut!
When I have a little free time I will try and post some too.
With the £5.50 and £11 PLO8 BH's proving relatively popular and the £5.50 BH in particular taking off lately I can't see a downside. If any guarantee was set conservatively it would be hard to see them not working.
I don't have access to the entrant numbers for every night but working with the ones I do...
The 7:15pm £5.50 PLO8 BH has a Mean number of entrants of 52.5 (Around 30% over the amount needed to meet the guarantee).
The 9:15pm £11 PLO8 BH has a Mean number of entrants of 30.78 ( Pretty much on the amount of entrants needed to meet the guarantee and perhaps a bit snug).
If the Mean figures for these are used to do a linear regression then the following entry numbers could be expected in smaller buy in tourneys...
@ £3.30 buy in level - The Mean number of entrants expected would be 63 (After rake a £189 prize pool)
@ £2.20 buy in level - The Mean number of entrants expected would be 68 (After rake a £136 prize pool)
@ £1.10 buy in level - The Mean number of entrants expected would be 73 (After rake a £73 prize pool)
If any guarantees were around £50 (for a £1.10), £75 (for a £2.20) and £100 for a £3.30) it would be 'unlikely' they fell short as there would be a pretty huge margin for error.
I also noticed there are no PLO8 tourneys between 2:45pm and 7:15pm so it looks like there could be a window for these free at 4:15pm 5:15pm & 6:15pm for example, meaning they wouldn't get in the way of the Thursday League, other PLO8 tourneys and probably also wouldn't affect DYM traffic as it is usually very quiet around this time at the PLO8 DYM tables anyway. The obvious thing that could be highlighted is that 'people will be coming in from work and having their tea etc'. I do know of a few sites that attracted a lot of UK players very regularly around 4:pm for PLO8 tourneys though (I don't mean Stars although that does attract UK players at these times also).
These figures are obviously based on very small sample sizes (as there aren't bigger ones to work with). I also as mentioned don't have the entry figures for every night or they would be more reliable. They should be a decent ballpark barometer though with the only main factor they don't really allow for being 'time of day' of tourneys.
Just a suggestion (if you don't ask you don't get right?)
Bear in mind that the PLO8 liquidity can only be stretched so far.
There has been a notable decrease in PLO8 DYM activity since the PLO8 BH MTT's began - which is fine - but the cake can only be cut so many ways.
I'd be delighted if the O8 MTT's flourished here, but it would be at the expense of the O8 DYM traffic.
More O8 MTT's might be just the job, but I'm pretty sure it would just move the liquidity from DYM's to MTT's, rather than increase it.
On a wider view, be great if Sky Poker could be "the home of O8", as apart from 'Stars, it's very hard to find O8 on any sites, because it is not a popular game, however much us nutjobs might love it.
I don't think the £11 is doing 'bad' personally, the guarantee is just a tad high IMO. If we said a few weeks ago we could have an £11 PLO8 nightly MTT that attracted between 22-41 runners every night I don't think too many would complain. It looks questionable in relation to the guarantee but there definitely seems to be people regularly turning up for it.
Could it be a turbo? Could it be a little earlier? Could it be another £5.50? Could it just be a £200 GTD? All valid suggestions IMO.
The lower buy in ones placed somewhere in the gap during the day between PLO8 MTT's seem like a penalty kick. There isn't much in the way of other oh8 traffic to negatively impact on and offering a cheap way for people to try the game or people who would prefer to play at that time could only help grow the other tourneys and increase the overall player pool/liquidity. No need to rush in though as you said, would be fine to try one around 4 or 5 pm and see how it pans out.
Trial and error and all that
Just my opinion and Sky's call at the end of the day obviously. I don't doubt they will do good by the ploppers, they have been brilliant listening to the feedback regarding the oh8 games!
Don't think there is much chance of Sky Poker holding that £300 Guarantee much longer. The risk/reward for the size of the player base is all out of kilter.
Think it's likely they will either reduce the G'tee or make it a £5 instead of £10.
Unfortunately I don't think Sky is run purely for my benefit so I'm guessing we will just see the justifiable drop in the £11 guarantee to £200.
Not for this month, no.
No decision has been made as to whether prizes will be offered next month, or if they are, what value they might be.
I did mention the guarantee several times as I feared losing the £11 altogether like this. If the guarantee had been £200 from the start though and the tourney had got between 22-41 numbers every night, never missing the guarantee then I think it would have been viewed by almost everyone as a very solid success for a £11 MTT in a niche game that went on till around midnight?
It is only really when compared to the £300 guarantee it looks like it struggled so much.
The 2 main variables which obviously affect numbers for this are 'Buy in level' and 'Time of day'. I don't think it is one in isolation that is the main factor but rather an interaction effect between these 2 factors.
If there was a £2.20 in the big gap during the day in PLO8 MTT's at around 4 or 5pm and that attracted 75+ runners then it would probably suggest that a £11 PLO8 MTT getting 22-41 runners would be in line with expectations and relatively 'decent'.
Thanks once again for your efforts James and hopefully this works out. I am fully aware that Sky do not need to take any of these suggestions on board and hats off to all concerned for doing so!