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ive had to step back down for a short time for a couple of reasons, hopefully we wont bump inot each other too often at the tables
Quite shocked at my C4P aswell, I know it's not exactly ground breaking but ages ago I used to struggle to even make the 500 points at 4NL, but think it should be fairly easy this month, and even easier next month if I'm 6tabling 8NL by then. I know C4P aint that important at microstakes but aint gonna say no to 2 free BIs
Something occured to me the other day... ya know they always say how like 90% of players are long-term losing players. well it just made me feel alot better about my game, and how forunate I am to actually be a winning player even if it's only by a small amount. Well it's not fortunate, it's hard work etc but yeah, should be more confident and stop putting down my game so much.
Quote of the day:
"Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win"
Sun-Tzu
So tonight I managed to get going on 3 x 8NL and 3 x 4NL. Somehow I managed to make a profit, how? I'll never know. I played absolutely terribly, calling too much pre, opening too wide, calling too much post flop and on river with weak holdings, just really really bad. It was only due to a few really lucky hands which helped me make a profit, one of which involved cracking AA with my AK.
In total I made £11.12 profit which I'm really happy with especially as I'd have been happy to break even after how bad I played. This does mean it's now my 10th session in a row of making profit.
Hands Played: 17,580
Bankroll: £278.50
Profit/Loss: +£74.34
Poker Points: 319
That does mean that I have just went ahead of Splashies by a nose. No doubt he'll be back ahead after his next session though.
I'm not waiting anymore to play 8NL, I'm playing it from now onwards. As for the £500 for 10NL, I'm sticking to that. I play 6 tables and have never played 10NL or any higher for any prolonged period, so it's gonna be a learning curve for me, while also 6tabling. Even if I was playing brilliantly, it's still pretty likely that I could drop 5 BIs at some point while 6tabling. I know what I'm like and if I have a smaller BR and lose 5 BIs, I will go on tilt.
Having the bigger BR helps me avoid tilting, it also gets me in the good habits because as I move up levels, there's no way 30 BIs will be enough to comfortably 6table. It also allows me to try new things as I'm learning, and take aggressive lines sometimes without worrying that losing a few BIs is gonna be a sizeable chunk of my roll. Having a smaller roll always causes me to play more defensively and I don't wanna give up any edge and lower my win-rate to try to reduce variance.
You can have a BR that's too small, but there's no such thing as one that's too big
You would crush 10nl.....by playing tight ABC poker. The only difference between 10nl and 4nl is that you dont get as many dumb calls, you have the roll to take a shot and I'm 100% certain you will beat it.
Gl whatever you do though, I read this thread on a reg basis and it is always a good read
Biggest sigh of the night was this hand
Hands Played: 19,260
Bankroll: £262.36
Profit/Loss: +£58.20
Poker Points: 444
Wow I earned about 130 points tonight, pretty impressive for microstakes, although I did 6table through the happy hour AND did alot of early birding.
Was really frustrating, I was having to start up tables, and paly short handed for ages, then the table would be up and running with 4-6 players, and they'd all leave again. I REALLY need to work on my short handed cash game!
haven't posted here for a while....
kinda busy myself. lol
nice to see that b/r of yours creeping up ,well played.
also good luck at the new nl8 level.
i deffo think you are right in that you should wait until you have the full 50 buy-ins (£500) in your b/r b4 moving up to the nl10 level.,personally i think that is a bit on the low side myself.
i've played there b4,not for very long admittedly,but i can tell you from experience just how easily you could lose not only 5 buy-ins a session,but even 7 or 8 or more.
and trust me buddy,if you 'ain't rolled for it properly,it hurts.
best wishes
dev
ps,glad you took my advice regarding posting less hands,it is imo anyway,so much better now than it was before.
Yeah I think less of the moaning is better for me and all the readers... although I did have to post that beauty from last night because I think it's the worst outdraw I've ever had (to my memory) lol.
Good BRM is definitely really important, and even more so when in the near future I should be moving up to levels I've never played before so will be a real learning curve.
think that's deffo in the 'bad beat' club.
i once had playing nl4...Q9 flop came QQ9 not to bad
then a 10 came, bet bet etc, all-in all-in. then a 4 came on river.
opponent had Q 10 (think i was a bit upset for a while) lol
had the same problems myself recently when moving up levels on my DYM challenge,admittedly it wouldn't normally of happened to me as am a b/roll nit,probably even more so than yourself,
but lost £130 one night (playing £5's & £11's too)when my b/r was only at £230 so b/r dropped back to £100
a lesson learnt there for the future,me thinks.
best wishes,
dev
Not quite back ahead of you yet but did have a winning session at 8NL tonight, and I will catch you soon... still plenty of time til Xmas. Only played for 1hr (6tabling) because I had someone watching me on TV. I made £11.51 profit in the end tonight which aint too bad for only 1 hrs play.
Hands Played: 19,740
Bankroll: £273.87
Profit/Loss: +£69.71
Poker Points: 473
On the brink of getting some C4P, will easily break 500+ on my next session.
Quote of the Day
"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit"
Aristotle
While I agree you should be playing NL8 with that roll, It doesn't mean you should not have a look/shot at NL10.
Find a level you feel comfortable at, be it NL4 or NL8, then load up 5 of them tables and 1 of nl10 for example.
You may find NL10 is really no differant but for the sake of en extra £2 you get to have a look, see how it plays and see how you do.
FWIW I do this all the time, and find it a lot easier instead of just saying ok I have 40bi so I am just going to step up
Gradual steps is better imo
plus you may just find that nl10 is just the same, but no point people telling you this - you have to go on the learning curve yourself
imo to be a winner at cash poker you just have to find a level that you feel comfortable and beat, before you start to move up - but seriously dont' expect anyhing upto NL20 to be anyting but straight forward poker
good luck, smal steps
I'm not a cash player myself but i've always thought reading posts about moving up etc that a player's game can evolve better by gradual immersion in the pond of 'deeper'levels ie higher. A bit like try a B.I at a higher level concentrating solely on that to see any apparent differences making notes. Return to your usual feeding ground and compare. Do this on a regular basis and i suspect that the jump would have a more well-founded base instead of the 'eyes shut' bound.
It's only a thought but good luck anyway...
I played 6tables of 8NL tonight for 1hr 30 mins, was a pretty up and down session, but I'm pleased to say there were more ups than downs, so I made another £11.67 profit, so I'm now in profit since starting 8NL and have reached my highest profit so far. Still a bit of catching up to do with Splashies but I'll get there...
Hands Played: 20,460
Bankroll: £285.63
Profit/Loss: +£81.38
Poker Points: 520 (£4.16)
Finally broke the 500 points barrier too which is always a nice free bonus. In good shape to be £300+ by the end of the month, which puts me in good shape to meet my target of being rolled for 10NL (by my standards lol - 50BIs) by the end of October.
Paul
NL10 is full of mugs, just as many if not more than NL8 due to more tables running. Just run good and you'll crush it. If not just keep dropping down until you get a bit of run good and bob's your uncle. I think people need to stop this perception of the mystical step-up - there are mugs at every stake and just because the buy-in is bigger doesn't mean the standard is better.
I'm not gonna move up and rely on running good, I'm gonna move up when I can afford to take the ups and downs of that level and know that no matter how I run, if I play well, I will make money because my BR can handle it (short of some horrendous runbad). I moved up a bit earlier to 8NL just because I've played it before and there is little difference between that and 4NL, but there is a noticeable difference at 10NL... that's not to say there aren't alot of weak players, but it's certainly nothing like 4NL where you get called down super light so often. Some players do it, just less of them.
So yeah, I could probably go and play 20NL and 'if I run good', bob's your uncle there too, but if I don't, it's just a needless gamble I don't need to take. It's not exactly like this is really slowing me down. It's took me 3-4 weeks to make £80+ almost exclusively from 4NL, and my profits should only go up now at 8NL so as I am, I think I'll have 50BIs for 10NL by the end of October, so it's not like it's gonna take forever and I'm really stunting my progress.
Plus, the higher I go, the more vital it will be to have 50BIs+ especially when 6tabling and not just playing like a complete nit (which is not my intention).
Quote of the Day
“Whenever you want to achieve something, keep your eyes open, concentrate and make sure you know exactly what it is you want. No one can hit their target with their eyes closed.”
― Paulo Coelho
Say you play cash poker and flop a FD 100 times in a week, so you should make your flush about 33 times in the week. Let's say if you're running good you hit 40 flushes, and if you're running bad you only hit 25.
So if you're running bad and only hit 25 (so 8 less than normal) and your opponent is running good and hits 40 (7 more than normal). That all adds up to 15 pots you've lost more than you 'should' have in 1 week.
Even at 8NL, 15 pots could easily be £60+ and that's just flush draws, just ONE of many many situations in poker.
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