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BRM doesn't matter if you run positive and win
BRM matters when you run negative expectation
what I will say, I don't grind as much as before but I am still the same recrational player
by not approaching poker as a grind now it's turned a bit more fun for me
grinding does take the fun out of it, espcially when you don't need to win to pay the bills
enjoy it, take a shot - if it don't go great then just step back
I hear what everyone's saying but I love the game and I do enjoy it. I enjoy the act of playing, so the happiness I would feel by taking a shot and spinning it up is far outweighed by the potential unhappiness of going busto. Sure I could re-deposit but I won't need to (touch wood) if I stay within reasonable guidelines.
The money isn't a huge thing for me, so the way I see it is, I have a hobby I love which I have played for the last 2-3 years and it hasn't cost me more than about £20-£30. As I'm perfectly happy getting the enjoyment I get from the game now, I don't see a point in taking big risks and potentially ploughing more money into the site, when I can just continue to freeroll my hobby.
I don't understand this constant push from people (not just you) to take a shot etc. I play for fun, and have as much fun playing 4NL as I would playing 50NL, if not more.
Trust me to have a session which was the complete opposite just as the challenge starts! I aint got the full details of results with me because I'm at work (I didn't post them last night cos I just wanted to go to bed) but I know I made a loss of £20 + some pennies. I'll post up the results when I get home tonight.
I'd say it was definitely the most frustrating session I've ever had at 4NL, I played 5 tables for nearly 3 hours and just either couldn't hit a barn door, or the few occasions I did, I got zero action. Was having a mooch through the HH last night to spot any mistakes and I saw the biggest pot I won all session was £1.20 lol. Also there were only 3 hands I lost all night over £1 and them 3 came to a total of £8. To be fair, I think 2 of them £5's worth) were avoidable, but one was nut straight v BD flush with 45s.
The other £12 was just a combination of 3 hours worth of either raising pre, c-bets failing and c/f at the first opportunity OR raising pre and having to c/f the flop. All them 16ps and 20ps add up over 3 hours!
I was thinking about maybe filming bits of my sessions but I dunno if anyone wants to listen to me drone on. Might force me to think more about what I'm doing though as I'll be forced to say something on the video.
It's gonna be pretty frustrating going 3 hours without hitting a flop whether I play 1000NL, 4NL, MTTs, DYMs or whatever, that's poker. I enjoy the game of course, but that's like saying 'what you mean you don't enjoy being 1 outered?'
There will always be frustrating times whatever game you play but yes I enjoy the game. Would I have been less frustrated if my session last night was identical but played at 20NL instead?
Right last night's sessions results, you know all the info really, so just posting stats
Hands Played: 9240
Bankroll: £158.76
Profit/Loss: -£16.28
Poker Points: 643 (£6.43)
PS. I take it Don's being an idiot with his maths and that he's not playing 30NL.
Total Profit: £36.51
Win Rate: 42.00bb/100
Not sure if i'll have a session tomorrow but will try and sneak one in.
Really hope you get some of my heat in your next session. No doubt there's a brutal one around the corner for me. Gl mate.
Thought for the day.....
"Don't miss the donut by looking through the hole" ~ Author Unknown
Then we (me and Emma) linked up the laptop to our 38" TV so she could watch me properly and be able to see without being over my shoulder. Played another hour like that, Emma being there probably helped me avoid any spewing spots and I managed to finish the 5 tables with a small profit on each. Emma helped with some moral boosting and making me question a few decisions I made like pausing for a while before deciding whether to check or raise from the BB when there's abot 3 limpers in front and I have AQ. Second session I was £5.73 up for a total loss today of £1.45
Hands Played: 10,340
Bankroll: £157.31
Profit/Loss: -£17.73
Poker Points: 678 (£6.78)
Don't worry Splashies, plenty of time between now and Xmas, I'll catch you up!!
Here's something I was thinking about on the way to work so I welcome yours and others thoughts on it... This may be the ramblings of a madman because I'm still half asleep but if I raise AK pre and flop comes 56Kr then I will c-bet looking to get value from worse Kx hands, people who fancy calling with 2nd or 3rd pair, or gutshots or underpairs to the K.... BUT if I raised with AQ pre and the flop came exactly the same 56Kr, then I would c-bet.
As I said, maybe I'm still asleep but can c-betting this be justified, when on the other occasions (that I've hit) I expect to get called a fair amount of the time. Obviously I'm not really trying to balance my range because I think there's little value in it at this level.
I also c-bet with like 88-QQ partly for value and partly to protect my hand but that's kinda beside the point (I think).
So can someone either please justify why I'm fine to c-bet both with AK and AQ on this flop OR explain to me why it's wrong?
raise, 3 bet wider for value and punish them when they miss or hit flops that you dominate
depends on table but you can even raise from the blinds with A10 for value
just iso at nl4 = print money
I've seen countless people call 5x raises with hands like K5 especially if suited by the way :P But I'm not complaining about that, I'm happy for people to call 5x raises with K5 all day long.
And yeah I don't think the majority of players at 4NL pay attention to bet sizing, so I'm more than happy to make one raise size pre with AA and a different size with 22 for example.
going to be versus overcards a lot, which is never great
say you have 8's and you have 3 limps before you, how much you raising and why - we c/f lots of overcard flops/boards -
we only getting value from 6/7 high flops
end up checking weak or strong hands on flops, so polarised
intresting that you mention not getting paid with big hands in certain sessions
have a look at your pre sizing, stick to 4x imo - across your whole range, reduces your c bet size abit and allows a bit more room for movement - take it your raising pre 3x to 6x :S stick to 4x + 1bb per limper
don't be ashamed to limp behind at nl4
never open limp though )
I generally raise 5x, with the exception of some hands like small PPs. I leave it at 5x with 1 limper, and then add on 1BB per limper after that. I'm not too worried to be fair, I know I've made a few bad calls near the start of this venture, and to be honest, some of them I think were necessary at the time. I've quickly learned there's alot of people who make me look like a big LAG (more than there used to be I'm sure), so I lost some hands earlier which I put down as coolers but looking back now I know they're super super nits. But yeah, it's just variance innit, I certainly aint had any beauties like that one from Splashies where someone just open shoves £3.50 into his flopped set, but I'm sure I will do.
HAHA bad read )
If your raising a limped pot w/88 and flop comes KQJ – obviously you c/f – then don’t raise pre
If you open raise and get two callers and flop come J42r – then c bet – w/e your hand
A lot of situations will arise in NL4 where you have limps before you, raising sometimes only achieves a bloated flop pot, therefore any flop bet will be have to be bigger
I did say 100%, ok maybe 96% )
How we chose to come into the pot pre dictates how we play flop, if you finding yourself raising pre only to face horrible flops then maybe look at what your doing pre
You don’t have to raise pre just because there are limpers, imo it’s a bit spewy . Most of you marginal’s/ low-mid prs can be played more profitably by limping behind.
It’s only when you open raise that I would say c bet 96% :S
Why c bet, because it’s profitable to do so versus the range that calls your standard 4x open -
Think you’re a good enough post flop player to outplay all of NL4
Have fun with it
My raising range over limps/small raises is pretty small, something like AQ+ QQ+. It just happens to be that I'm not hitting flops particularly well recently, but that's not gonna stop me doing what I know is right (raising with AQ/AK). C-bets are working fairly well, probably 50% of the time ish, just annoying cos you don't stack people by taking down pots with c-bets and I remember the days of stacking people constantly at 4NL. But it's just a phase no doubt.
This was all just a hypothetical question because it seemed strange that you must bet for value with TPTK on K45r cos you know you'll get called alot, but must also c-bet it with AQ but surely knowing you'll get called alot makes it redundant. But yeah as with any bet, like if I make it 24p into a 48p pot, then it only has to work 1in3 times to break even so the two things don't have to be contradictory. Nevermind, I was just tired this morning lol.