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To be honest, I'm only £235 away from moving up, which is 58.75 BIs. If you reckon on me getting about £20 C4P over a 4 month period then that means it's £215 I need to make which is 53.75 BIs which over 4 months is only 13.5 BIs per month which is not an enormous amount, so even though I've set the bar high, I don't think I'll be at 4NL for that long. I'd rather do it right than do it quickly.
Leading on from your last comment, have you ever tried playing above 50NL+ ? Is it the monetary amount on the table that would put you off or do you not think you're good enough?
Hands Played: 7080
Bankroll: £180.07
Profit/Loss: +£5.03
Poker Points: 576 (£5.76)
i rarely comment on diary threads but having read a bit of yours in the last few days i'm compelled to ask...
doesn't a diary thread take some of the fun out of poker?
the reason i ask is because all of the diary threads seem to talk about poker in terms of a 'challenge' or a 'grind'. also, i noticed in the last few posts you have made it doesn't seem like you are getting any pleasure out of playing the game (at least not currently) and i think this is quite common among the diary threads i have seen.
the best comparison i can try and make is that if i were to go and play football with my mates on the park i would hate to be constantly looking at ways to improve my passing or shooting (although arguably i should) etc and then come home and think through the game and try and spot ways i could have done better. that would take some of the fun out of the game for me and probably make me less excited about the next kickaround on the park because i would feel under pressure all the time.
i genuinely enjoy reading your diary and will keep following it as it is certainly one of the best i have read.
good luck
p.s if i had your bankroll i would go for 3 tables of 20nl and move down to 10nl if i got down to 100
edit: standard timing....my post goes in straight after a big winning sessions lol....nice work though
Everyone seems to go way OTT with the bankroll management !
I definitely see what you're saying, and it can be trying sometimes but at the base of it all I do love the game. Obviously it's hard to enjoy the patches where you're getting constantly coolered but as I say I do love the game, and it's all the more love-able when you make money from it, and generally the only way to do this is to assess your play and try to improve it.
I know all players at any level need to look to improve their game but the need to improve is probably more important with me because my game is SO in need of improvement.
In answer to your last comment about if you had a bankroll... I've never played a single hand of 20NL and to be honest, judging by your posts on the clinic etc you are a far better player than me, so I just wouldn't feel comfortable at 20NL with the size of my roll. I'm still making the occasional really clumsy mistakes at 4NL and I'd probably just be punished for this more at 20NL.
P.S. Thanks for saying my diary is one the best
I'm sure you and Huuume are capable of playing 20NL with £180, but at this stage, I just don't have the confidence in my game to do it.
i understand the brm thing and am a control bankroll nit myself but...
positive thinking.......just imagine how good a winning session at nl20 would feel
You could easily be playing nl20 right now, with a 180 quid. Lets be honest it would take a pretty tragic session to lose 80 quid, and even then you would have a solid 10 buy ins at nl10 . Which is more than enough. No shame in moving down. Obv with like 70+ buy ins, theres never going to really be a need to move down in levels, unless you have the worst variance EVER or are actually a bad player. Been a bankroll nit is fine and all. But i think you would enjoy it so so so much more if you gambled a tad at nl20 and spun 180 up to 500 in a week or so.
Then the possibilities are endless. Stop worrying. If you have an absolute mare and have to move down, no biggy !
as you are all talking brm i'll throw in my 10c worth.
brm is most definately a 'personal thing'
some players are happy playing a level with 10-20 buy-ins
others 30-40.
i personally feel pretty comfortable with 100 but ideally for moving up levels i would like 200.
how do you feel when losing 10 buy-ins when you have only got 100 lor worse still 50?
anyway ,i've had my say.
best wishes
dev
Personally, when I was playing cash with 20BIs, I felt pretty rubbish about it if I lost 3-4 BIs because it's still a pretty big chunk of my roll. One thing I read in a book recently about the poker mindset was about BRM/dealing with variance and it said that there are 2 beasts to tackle.... it's not just about avoiding going bust through poor BRM, it's also about avoiding the fear of going bust.
I know how my brain works and I know I would be reluctant to take some lines like maybe 3bet jamming a flop with 2 overs + FD if my BR was really small because I know the losses would hurt so I would attempt to play a lower variance form which would invariably be much less profitable.
Hands Played: 7920
Bankroll: £173.39
Profit/Loss: -£1.65
Poker Points: 601 (£6.01)
At least I've made 1.5 BIs through C4P this month
Hands Played: 8240
Bankroll: £179.71
Profit/Loss: +£4.67
Poker Points: 608 (£6.08)
Back in the black before bed
I know I could play 10NL and have done before with a roll this size, but losing 3-4 BIs when I have only 18 BIs just hurts too much and inevitably causes me to play worse than I'm able.
Also if I wanna make decent money long-term then I'll need proper BRM, and where dya draw the line? Like do I play 10NL with £180, spin it up to £400 and then start practicing good BRM (in which case I'd just be staying where I am) or what? I think if you play a level underolled and you double your BR, you're always gonna be inclined to step up another level which means you continue to be underolled and doing that long-term is never gonna work.
In summary, I want longevity. As they say, when you play poker to win money you MUST play for the long term, you should always be taking the route that stands to win you the most in the long run, but how can you do that when you don't have enough money to be able to withstand the long run.
Plus, losing 5 BIs at 8NL (£40) from a £180 roll would hurt, especially at this early stage when the monetary increases are gonna quite small, slow and steady. So
So for instance, I've had sessions since I started this where I lost 4BIs (£16) but with my roll, I can shrug that off fairly easily knowing I have the roll to withstand variance. If I was playing 10NL and had just lost the same amount of BIs (£40), I would not be able to shrug it off so easily as it would be over 20% of my roll.
I mean it's not like I'm in a bad financial situation in real life, I could easily afford to re-deposit if I needed to, but I don't see any reason for me to take that risk, when I can do it this way. Sure it may take a little longer, but when I get there, I'll have done it the right way.
I have no doubt in the future, I'll cooler people just as many times as I get coolered, but I need enough of a BR to be able to let that happen.
Yeah, I dunno if you have a better, more accurate way of doing it, but for hands, I just work on the basis that you generally play about 80 hands per hour (per table), so that's how my spreadsheet works it out. PM your email address if you want a copy of the spreadsheet.
But yeah I'm up for it, you wanna post your results here or what?