Yes I don't think anyone could have predicted Kaymer's collapse today, he was priced up at 1/500 in running at one stage.
The old age adage of only bet what you can afford to lose would have been most appropriate today, because I'd have put the house on Kaymer cruising to victory.
In Response to Re: Get in the Hole! 2015 Season! (Sony Open + Abu Dhabi): [QUOTE]Yes I don't think anyone could have predicted Kaymer's collapse today, he was priced up at 1/500 in running at one stage. The old age adage of only bet what you can afford to lose would have been most appropriate today, because I'd have put the house on Kaymer cruising to victory. Posted by TheDart
I think in golf especially the swings in prices on the markets can be huge. Somone was 1/200 only last week or week before only to lose. Perhaps its the pressure to close out a tournament. It gets to them and they tighten up.
Don,t really know much about this guy but he looked a good price on oddchecker compared with other sites and wanted a bit of interest as i,ve not had a bet yet on this tournament
In the Open and US Open I had 66/1. In the Masters and USPGA I had 80/1. I think he is available at 100/1 for the US Open on Bet Victor though if you have an account with them. Didn't see the big odds difference until it was too late.
I like Victor myself and since I'm going to be looking out for him anyway with you guys supporting him, I've also joined the SkyPoker Victor Dubuisson fan club and backed Victor at 66/1 for The Open.
Complete blank last week with my selections, but after a bit of post event analysis, it's clear it wasn't my fault.
I picked the right players, its not my fault they all simply failed to perform!
I think there is a case to back Olesen, Grace and Carbrera-Bello again, but shorter prices for all 3 and some specific Qatar Open research, means I reluctantly drop the disgraced three players.
If George Coetzee and Thomas Aiken could team up as a better ball this week, they would surely romp home, George Coetzee has lead the putting stats for the last 2 years and was ranked 5th in putting 3 years ago.
Meanwhile Thomas Aiken has performed well despite some very poor putting stats.
Looking at the stats from past Qatar Open's its clear that some players really struggle on these greens whilst others excel, strangely Garcia and Westwood consistently rank high on the putting stats here though both are not known for their putting ability,
Last years runner up Miko Illonen has confirmed the importance of being able to putt here by saying...
"You have to learn the greens though as they have more grain than last week, as they are a little grassier, so getting to grips with those is the key to playing well."
Of course you can't get too hung up on the cold stats, as some humans have a habit of learning, so for example if Thomas Aiken suddenly finds a way to putt on these greens he should be very difficult to beat.
The other significant point that sticks out for me is that past winners and players who do well are links type players, players who do well in The Open, players who can play in the wind.
Past champions include, Paul Lawrie, Sergio, Ernie Els, Stenson, Scott, Andrew Coltart, Quiros and Chris Wood.
So taking all of the above into account and come up with a short list of around 20 players, the 4 +1, I am going with are:
Mikko Illonen - 1 point ew 50/1, last years runner up, ticks a lot of the right boxes.
Romain Wattell - 1 point ew 70/1, an improving record here, in finishing position and putting stats, was playing exceptionally well at the end of last season. A win from Gary Stal last week should give added inspiration.
Steve Webster - 1 point ew 80/1, 5th last year, 4th the year before, 12th in Abu Dhabi last week, no excuses not to do well this week.
Thomas Aitken - 1point ew, 100/1, two top 10's in The Open, he's managed a 5th and a 6th here in recent years despite performing poorly on the greens. Just in case he works out how to putt this week, I felt the 100/1 was just too big to ignore.
Matthew Baldwin - 2 points ew 300/1, my +1, to the 4 picks I was going to limit myself to and this week Matthew Baldwin is actually my main bet.
He missed the cut last week, but was extremely upbeat, declared tee to green his game remains in as good a shape as its ever been, struggled on the greens, but finished by saying he was very excited about something he'd work out about his putting over the closing holes of his second round.
He was 11 under here after 2 rounds last year and his putting stats for Qatar are on a strong upward trend.
If he was 33/1 I would still rate his chances but might look for value elsewhere, at 300/1 only a madman would ignore this opportunity!
European Tour Starting Balance = -19 points Qatar Investment = 12 points Balance Carried Forward = -31 points
I like Victor myself and since I'm going to be looking out for him anyway with you guys supporting him, I've also joined the SkyPoker Victor Dubuisson fan club and backed Victor at 66/1 for The Open. Posted by TheDart
Anyone want to purchase my Victor bets?? Selling at 1/2 price
In Response to Re: Get in the Hole! 2015 Season! (Sony Open + Abu Dhabi) : Anyone want to purchase my Victor bets?? Selling at 1/2 price Posted by joesman1
With three different courses being played for the first 3 rounds, its difficult to get a fix on course form, though there are players with multiple good results here.
It seems some of the shortest and longest hitters have won this event, so again not easy to find the right player profile.
This event does produce the lowest scoring on the year, so it would suggest that getting to the green is easier than most weeks so players who can make more putts than most might have a slight advantage.
Harris English - 2points ew 30/1, noteworthy 3rd place finish last week on his first outing of 2105. Decent record here and can make putts from anywhere when the putter is hot.
Russell Knox -2 points ew 60/1, seeing him up on the leaderboards last week on a course where he had failed to make the cut in 3 previous attempts, put Knox on my radar.
Thirteenth here last year and shot a 59 on the web.com tour in 2013, which certainly demonstrates he has the ability to make the required bucket load of birdies.
Brendon Todd - 1.5 points ew 40/1, third time I've backed him on the bounce, so it's a last chance which needs to convert to third time lucky!
Steady if not spectacular results in Hawaii, so you would hope he has something to build on. He can also build on the memory's of the tied 6th in this event last year.
Ryo Ishikawa - 1 point ew 125/1, still only 23 years of age, he promised great things and still has time on his side.
Wayward driving has held him back at times, but he still managed his best year on tour last season.
The forgiving course setups should suit him here and I could see this being the type of event where Ishikawa takes back a bit of the limelight that Matsuyama stole from young Ryo.
PGA TOUR STARTING BALANCE = -17 Points Humana Challenge Investment = -13 Points Balance Carried Forwards = -30 Points
I fancy my chances this week. Think I've backed short enough prices for them to expect to be in contention. Bit worrying seeing Darty saying he had given up on Grace this week, when this is the week I've added him to my list...
I fancy my chances this week. Think I've backed short enough prices for them to expect to be in contention. Bit worrying seeing Darty saying he had given up on Grace this week, when this is the week I've added him to my list... Qatar Brandon Grace - 25/1 Tyrell Hatton - 50/1 Thomas Pieters - 50/1 Humana Ryan Palmer - 25/1 Charley Hoffman - 50/1 Posted by FlashFlush
I can only presume Neil has not seen this, or I can assure you he would have been straight in to have another dig at me and to tell you that the fact that I've given up on Grace is a good thing.
I've not given up on him as such, I reluctantly passed over him, in search of better ew value elsewhere, which is the very thing I set out not to do this year (ignore the obvious chances of those you fancy irrespective of their price).
I should have backed Olesen and Grace, I fancy them both, but swerved them for bigger priced players.
Actually Flash I like all your picks this week, hope your confidence is rewarded (a little bit).
In Response to Re: Get in the Hole! 2015 Season! (Sony Open + Abu Dhabi) : I can only presume Neil has not seen this, or I can assure you he would have been straight in to have another dig at me and to tell you that the fact that I've given up on Grace is a good thing. I've not given up on him as such, I reluctantly passed over him, in search of better ew value elsewhere, which is the very thing I set out not to do this year (ignore the obvious chances of those you fancy irrespective of their price). I should have backed Olesen and Grace, I fancy them both, but swerved them for bigger priced players. Actually Flash I like all your picks this week, hope your confidence is rewarded (a little bit). Posted by TheDart
Yep correct mate. Been busy working to fund my poker and golf bets. In fact too busy working to back my golf fancies, and lost out because of it. Have had to take 45/1 on Coatzee thanks to the Racing Post tipping him up, and I've had to take 35/1 (was 40's) on Weisberger. And looking at Levy 33/1. All ew... Good luck everyone.
PS.... Just in case anyone did/does wonder, everything I say on here is tongue in cheek. I've the greatest respect for everyone who contributes to this thread.
Edit:- I've decided to 'dump' Levy, and back Olesen instead ew @ 28/1. Because though I take the'mick' out of Darty on occasions, I do value his knowledge and research, and course form here is important as he says. Levy's making his debut, and being an early start, won't have practised much. Olsen's desert form, and here in particular, makes him a very able substitute.
Stephen Gallacher 30/1 (without rose, stenson and garcia)
Seems to play well in this neck of the woods with 2 wins in the region in last two years. His finish last year here was spoilt by an ugly 75 in r3 otherwise could have been in the mix.
Weisberger 30/1 (without rose, stenson and garcia) always pretty consistent and when you remove the three big names in the field 30/1 seems like a pretty solid price to me.
Gallacher and Noren also in with small FRL bets.
Humana
Billy Horschel 40/1
Was between haas and horschel for this pick and went for horschel - already kind of regretting it despite the bigger price.
Zach Johnson 28/1
Some decent finishes recently and decent record. Just got a feeling he's gonna go close again in coming weeks.
FRL fun one
Casey, Bohn, Haas, Bradley, Jones and Simpson all in ew trebles.
In Response to Re: Get in the Hole! 2015 Season! (Sony Open + Abu Dhabi) : Yep correct mate. Been busy working to fund my poker and golf bets. In fact too busy working to back my golf fancies, and lost out because of it. Have had to take 45/1 on Coatzee thanks to the Racing Post tipping him up, and I've had to take 35/1 (was 40's) on Weisberger. And looking at Levy 33/1. All ew... Good luck everyone. PS.... Just in case anyone did/does wonder, everything I say on here is tongue in cheek. I've the greatest respect for everyone who contributes to this thread. Edit:- I've decided to 'dump' Levy, and back Olesen instead ew @ 28/1. Because though I take the'mick' out of Darty on occasions, I do value his knowledge and research, and course form here is important as he says. Levy's making his debut, and being an early start, won't have practised much. Olsen's desert form, and here in particular, makes him a very able substitute. Posted by joesman1
I'd just like to add to this and say if anyone has been under the impression I might be the victim of cyber bullying, I can assure everyone I hardly ever take notice of anything Neil says
Seriously I've always thought this is a good thread, with some entertaining comments and contributions.
As for the first days golf, a truly awful start for me to wake up to.
I reluctantly drop my desert king Rafa Cabrera-Bello and wake up to see him at the top of the leaderboard.
In contrast one of my new guys for the week, Steve Webster is sharing last place.
At least I have Thomas Aitken on -5 with two to play, but he then plays an awful shot on 17 and makes bogey, he pars the last, but the Europeantour website amends his scorecard and drops him down to -3.
Oh well I think, at least Romain Wattel has got off to a nice start, 1 under after 3; correction he's just double bogyed the 4th.
Let's hope Matthew Baldwin starts with a birdie on the easy par 5 10th, I mean a par is virtually a shot dropped on the field............no need to worry about a par, he opens with a sodding bogey!
Took somones advice on here about Cabrello and took up Betfred off er of placing £10 in play at 1/2 or better and if it loses you get a free bet of £10 on the Phoenix Open nxt week - Value _ GL everyone
Well my first ew win of the season secured.....shame it was a 9 way tie for 3rd lol ah well at least i got my money on my frl bets back a little profit.
Hope Noren crumbles now because he's a player I like and fancy him for some of the run of the mill euro tour events and hoping he keeps his value.
Gallacher and Weisberger reasonably well placed after day 1.
Had 2 bets on the other tourney as well - Had £5 on Matt Kuchar at 20/1 - (money back for 2nd or 3rd) . With 40% of so many of his last tournamnets finishing in the top ten this has to be considered and after another good week last week i personally think he,s going to convert some of these EW placxes into wins and could win quite a bit this season. He,s proved he can contend time and time again and can,t be ruled out in the near future for any tournaments
Just had £3 on Kriss Kirk as well at 31/1. Think he,s dues 4 consistntly good rounds rather than just 1 or 2 every tourney
Been busy working to fund my poker and golf bets. In fact too busy working to back my golf fancies, and lost out because of it. Have had to take 45/1 on Coatzee thanks to the Racing Post tipping him up, and I've had to take 35/1 (was 40's) on Weisberger. Posted by joesman1
Not looking to shabby at the halfway stage, very well done so far.
Well my first ew win of the season secured.....shame it was a 9 way tie for 3rd lol ah well at least i got my money on my frl bets back a little profit. Hope Noren crumbles now because he's a player I like and fancy him for some of the run of the mill euro tour events and hoping he keeps his value. Gallacher and Weisberger reasonably well placed after day 1. Posted by jdsallstar
Congrats on your first win of the season, I think Noren was a smart pick.
I'd thought the same about keeping an eye on him for future events, he was a quality player pre-injury and looks to be back fully fit at long last.
Great day for Weisberger, though after just checking his scorecard I'm not sure what Gallacher is playing at today.
In Response to Re: Get in the Hole! 2015 Season! (Sony Open + Abu Dhabi) : Not looking to shabby at the halfway stage, very well done so far. Can you cash out? Posted by TheDart
Firstly nope, u can't cash out when it's an ew bet, only when it's win only. (Well that's the case with Paddy Power anyway). Secondly, yep good start, but let's see where we are when those cheques are dished out on Sunday afternoon. Lastly, he's too modest to mention it, but I know The Dartster is also on Coatzee @ 50/1. He didn't want to bok him/me/others when he knew myself and others were on him too. But it gets better for him, Jerome backed him for end of round 2 leader ew @ 25/1. So he's already bagged an 8/1 winner.
Right I've joined in with JD and had couple of fun FRL ew trebles (and singles and doubles).
FUN FRL Number One
Graham DeLaet - 20/1, seems right to give him his first SkyPoker Forum mention of 2015, seeing as its his birthday today! Russell Knox - 25/1 Ryo Ishikawa - 28/1
FUN FRL Number Two
Paul Casey - 28/1 Matt Jones - 25/1 Brendon De Jonge - 20/1
In Response to Re: Get in the Hole! 2015 Season! (Humana Challenge + Qatar Masters) : To be fair it took me a couple of days to make sense of JD's ew trebles on FRL's. Then it clicked earlier today...... They split up to play 3 different courses on days 1,2 and 3. Posted by TheDart
Argh of course!!! I nearly jumped in with both size 11's saying "no no no"
In Response to Re: Get in the Hole! 2015 Season! (Humana Challenge + Qatar Masters) : Still suffering with that premature problem mate?? Posted by joesman1
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Yes I don't think anyone could have predicted Kaymer's collapse today, he was priced up at 1/500 in running at one stage.
The old age adage of only bet what you can afford to lose would have been most appropriate today, because I'd have put the house on Kaymer cruising to victory.
[QUOTE]Yes I don't think anyone could have predicted Kaymer's collapse today, he was priced up at 1/500 in running at one stage. The old age adage of only bet what you can afford to lose would have been most appropriate today, because I'd have put the house on Kaymer cruising to victory.
Posted by TheDart
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Complete blank last week with my selections, but after a bit of post event analysis, it's clear it wasn't my fault.
I picked the right players, its not my fault they all simply failed to perform!
I think there is a case to back Olesen, Grace and Carbrera-Bello again, but shorter prices for all 3 and some specific Qatar Open research, means I reluctantly drop the disgraced three players.
If George Coetzee and Thomas Aiken could team up as a better ball this week, they would surely romp home, George Coetzee has lead the putting stats for the last 2 years and was ranked 5th in putting 3 years ago.
Meanwhile Thomas Aiken has performed well despite some very poor putting stats.
Looking at the stats from past Qatar Open's its clear that some players really struggle on these greens whilst others excel, strangely Garcia and Westwood consistently rank high on the putting stats here though both are not known for their putting ability,
Last years runner up Miko Illonen has confirmed the importance of being able to putt here by saying...
Of course you can't get too hung up on the cold stats, as some humans have a habit of learning, so for example if Thomas Aiken suddenly finds a way to putt on these greens he should be very difficult to beat.
The other significant point that sticks out for me is that past winners and players who do well are links type players, players who do well in The Open, players who can play in the wind.
Past champions include, Paul Lawrie, Sergio, Ernie Els, Stenson, Scott, Andrew Coltart, Quiros and Chris Wood.
So taking all of the above into account and come up with a short list of around 20 players, the 4 +1, I am going with are:
Mikko Illonen - 1 point ew 50/1, last years runner up, ticks a lot of the right boxes.
Romain Wattell - 1 point ew 70/1, an improving record here, in finishing position and putting stats, was playing exceptionally well at the end of last season. A win from Gary Stal last week should give added inspiration.
Steve Webster - 1 point ew 80/1, 5th last year, 4th the year before, 12th in Abu Dhabi last week, no excuses not to do well this week.
Thomas Aitken - 1point ew, 100/1, two top 10's in The Open, he's managed a 5th and a 6th here in recent years despite performing poorly on the greens. Just in case he works out how to putt this week, I felt the 100/1 was just too big to ignore.
Matthew Baldwin - 2 points ew 300/1, my +1, to the 4 picks I was going to limit myself to and this week Matthew Baldwin is actually my main bet.
He missed the cut last week, but was extremely upbeat, declared tee to green his game remains in as good a shape as its ever been, struggled on the greens, but finished by saying he was very excited about something he'd work out about his putting over the closing holes of his second round.
He was 11 under here after 2 rounds last year and his putting stats for Qatar are on a strong upward trend.
If he was 33/1 I would still rate his chances but might look for value elsewhere, at 300/1 only a madman would ignore this opportunity!
European Tour Starting Balance = -19 points
Qatar Investment = 12 points
Balance Carried Forward = -31 points
With three different courses being played for the first 3 rounds, its difficult to get a fix on course form, though there are players with multiple good results here.
It seems some of the shortest and longest hitters have won this event, so again not easy to find the right player profile.
This event does produce the lowest scoring on the year, so it would suggest that getting to the green is easier than most weeks so players who can make more putts than most might have a slight advantage.
Harris English - 2points ew 30/1, noteworthy 3rd place finish last week on his first outing of 2105. Decent record here and can make putts from anywhere when the putter is hot.
Russell Knox - 2 points ew 60/1, seeing him up on the leaderboards last week on a course where he had failed to make the cut in 3 previous attempts, put Knox on my radar.
Thirteenth here last year and shot a 59 on the web.com tour in 2013, which certainly demonstrates he has the ability to make the required bucket load of birdies.
Brendon Todd - 1.5 points ew 40/1, third time I've backed him on the bounce, so it's a last chance which needs to convert to third time lucky!
Steady if not spectacular results in Hawaii, so you would hope he has something to build on. He can also build on the memory's of the tied 6th in this event last year.
Ryo Ishikawa - 1 point ew 125/1, still only 23 years of age, he promised great things and still has time on his side.
Wayward driving has held him back at times, but he still managed his best year on tour last season.
The forgiving course setups should suit him here and I could see this being the type of event where Ishikawa takes back a bit of the limelight that Matsuyama stole from young Ryo.
PGA TOUR STARTING BALANCE = -17 Points
Humana Challenge Investment = -13 Points
Balance Carried Forwards = -30 Points
I've not given up on him as such, I reluctantly passed over him, in search of better ew value elsewhere, which is the very thing I set out not to do this year (ignore the obvious chances of those you fancy irrespective of their price).
I should have backed Olesen and Grace, I fancy them both, but swerved them for bigger priced players.
Actually Flash I like all your picks this week, hope your confidence is rewarded (a little bit).
Seriously I've always thought this is a good thread, with some entertaining comments and contributions.
I reluctantly drop my desert king Rafa Cabrera-Bello and wake up to see him at the top of the leaderboard.
In contrast one of my new guys for the week, Steve Webster is sharing last place.
At least I have Thomas Aitken on -5 with two to play, but he then plays an awful shot on 17 and makes bogey, he pars the last, but the Europeantour website amends his scorecard and drops him down to -3.
Oh well I think, at least Romain Wattel has got off to a nice start, 1 under after 3; correction he's just double bogyed the 4th.
Let's hope Matthew Baldwin starts with a birdie on the easy par 5 10th, I mean a par is virtually a shot dropped on the field............no need to worry about a par, he opens with a sodding bogey!
I've got work to be getting on with, I'm off!
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Can you cash out?
I'd thought the same about keeping an eye on him for future events, he was a quality player pre-injury and looks to be back fully fit at long last.
Great day for Weisberger, though after just checking his scorecard I'm not sure what Gallacher is playing at today.
Firstly nope, u can't cash out when it's an ew bet, only when it's win only. (Well that's the case with Paddy Power anyway). Secondly, yep good start, but let's see where we are when those cheques are dished out on Sunday afternoon. Lastly, he's too modest to mention it, but I know The Dartster is also on Coatzee @ 50/1. He didn't want to bok him/me/others when he knew myself and others were on him too. But it gets better for him, Jerome backed him for end of round 2 leader ew @ 25/1. So he's already bagged an 8/1 winner.
FUN FRL Number One
Graham DeLaet - 20/1, seems right to give him his first SkyPoker Forum mention of 2015, seeing as its his birthday today!
Russell Knox - 25/1
Ryo Ishikawa - 28/1
FUN FRL Number Two
Paul Casey - 28/1
Matt Jones - 25/1
Brendon De Jonge - 20/1
Then it clicked earlier today......
They split up to play 3 different courses on days 1,2 and 3.