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Had to stop cos I knew I'd only lose more with the way it's wrecking my head. Played 13, won 2, so lost £48.25.
Another disastrous session that I had no control over
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Sky Games Played: 530
Sky Profit/Loss: -£82.50
Poker Points: 1648 (£16.48)
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??? Games Player: 48
??? Profit/Loss: -$55.90
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Its very detailed but interesting. May i ask how many hours youplay and the number of tables you multi per day. I was just interested to know the number of hour approx thats needed for particular c4p. So to earn say £100 in c4p or £500 in c4p how many hours and tables would you need to play? I realise that this can have variables involved....but just a rough idea?
The roll can still handle it at the moment (IMO), I still have 40 BIs, and I'm not allowing it to affect my game so I'll keep going at £5s for a bit, might go to £3s if I drop down to 30 BIs but I'm hoping that's never gonna happen... surely I can't have another -£50 session today lol.
I was talking to Emma about it last night and she was saying it's probably affecting my head, and I said, well that's the annoying thing, it's not, I'm still playing well, still getting it in well ahead, but once the cards turn over it's out of my hands and I just keep losing. At least if I was tilting it off, I could blame myself and sort it, as it is, I just gotta take it.
Definitely take you up on the offer of watching though. Speak to you on facebook later.
At my stakes £5.25, you get 3 points per game and £100 C4P is abuot 5500 points so you'd need to play about 1850 which is about 60 hours per month (so about 15 hours a week), which is very do-able.
My sessions tend to be 1hour - 2hours, sometimes more, sometimes less.
Would take a pretty serious amount of volume to get £500 C4P at £5.25s, but my plan is to start dipping my toe in the water at £10.50s once I get my roll to £600, and it's much more do-able at that level.
I got 2 sessions in today, one was a quick one in the morning with JJ and Splashies watching, in that one I played 31 games and won 17 for a £7.25 profit.
I then played a night-time session where I played 80 games and won 42 which left me exactly break even. So I made a total profit of £7.25 today after 111 games
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Sky Games Played: 641
Sky Profit/Loss: -£75.25
Poker Points: 1986 (£19.86)
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??? Games Player: 48
??? Profit/Loss: -$55.90
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No more tournies for me until I can string some proper profits together from my Hypers. Glad to see I made a profit today even if it was only a small one. So I'm crushing the volume, just need to crush the game now.
So I posted up and asked him to PM me how much he wanted for it, expecting it to be way more than I was willing to pay but just interested. He got back to me today and I won't go into the exact details in case he doesn't want me to, but it was a VERY reasonable price + 40% of my winnings. So I'm well happy to say I will be playing my 3rd SPT in a row now.
Really looking forward to playing an SPT with a better structure than the 1 days, and with it being a bounty hunter, I only need 2 bounties to make a profit (£100 of bounties, £40 for Frosty, £60 for me). Really I'm going for my 2nd hendon mob flag though
good luck - run good m8'ty
Should be a good laugh anyway.
Played four, won two, lost two...
Against an aggro player, I kinda think it's impossible to win long-term in those hypers. A 3-bet in the first level commits you to the pot with any Ace... Just from those few games I can suggest a couple of adjustments you can make that I think might improve your game. Nothing major, just one or two things I think you can tidy up. If you're interested I can PM you.
There's a serious gap in the structures of HU SnG's on Sky, isn't there?
Hypers: 500 chips, 2min blinds
Turbos: 1000 chips, 2 min blinds
Regulars: 1500 chips, 10 min blinds
That's a fair old leap between turbos and regulars. Where are the 1000/1500 chips with 5 min blinds? You can either have fast, really fast or really slow... Weird.
I'd say you were pretty aggro, we played 4 games against each other, in 3 of the games the decisive hand where we got it all in I was 70%+ favourite, and the other game when we got it in, it was a flip with me as favourite (holding the PP). The fact you happened to bink a 2 in the JJ v 22 does not mean suddenly the games are unbeatable, I did get it in as a favourite for stacks in 4/4 games.
Also, the fact you can't fold after 3betting is because your 3bets were ridiculously big. If I raise to 50, there is absolutely no benefit to raising to 170 at all, a raise to 120 does exactly the same job and does allow you to 3bet/fold. When you 3bet to 1/3 of your stack, you only have yourself to blame for putting yourself in a spot where you can't fold any Ace.
3bets do not commit you in level 1 at all. Most people min-raise because it gets the job done just as well and with such a short stack makes much more sense. So when someone makes it 40, I can happily 3bet to 100 (leaving myself 400 behind) and fold/shove to 4bets, depending on my hand and my opponent, or if he flats, continue as normal, but more than capable of folding post-flop and still having 20BB behind.
I didn't play any Hypers tonight because I was at my local pub game, although it wasn't much of a game. By 8:30pm there was only 2 of us there, so we agreed to just play a quick £5 HU game while we wait for others, crushed him in that so was a fiver up. Still no-one there, but the other guy managed to convince a third guy (random pub go-er) to take part but as he was not very good he only wanted to play a £5 BI and no rebuys, so we did that and winner gets £15.
That one didn't go too well, couple of outdraws and got bluffed off a hand where I gave the guy too much respect obviously. Ended up on about 11BB, shoved from the button with Q9s... the third guy who was an idiot tanks and then flat calls for about 80% of his stack with 96off lol, the other guy has us both covered by quite alot so he sticks the guy all in with A4s. Flop comes a xx9 and I'm loving it, then it comes runner runner for 96 guy to hit a straight lol. So I'm out and he very quickly donks off his chips to the better player. So lost a fiver there, so break even for the night, not bad for a good night out.
On the subject of hypers, I did play some this morning, I played 32 and won 16 for a loss of £8. Still running pretty bad and JJ has watched me on Joinme so can confirm this. Testing my patience here to keep doing things right and still keep getting outdrawn... this runbad has now been going on for about 300 games... can't go on much longer.
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Sky Games Played: 673
Sky Profit/Loss: -£83.25
Poker Points: 2082 (£24.98)
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??? Games Player: 48
??? Profit/Loss: -$55.90
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I've now passed the 2000 poker points mark so jumped up to £24+ in C4P. My belief in my ability was slightly starting to waiver with how bad my results have been but I've got my head back on track and I know I'm making all the right moves and it's just variance. I still have complete faith I can finish the month in profit, even if it requires some C4P to get me over the line.
Incidentally, the reason why my 3-bets were so big: On the first hand, you opened to 50 and I wanted to 3-bet to 150, so that's what I typed in and, of course, it made it 170. The next time round it came to me and I think "I'd better make it the same" so type in 170... of course that made it 190: What a muppet, lol.
As for when I could fold, it depends on the range I put you on after 3-betting. So shallow, I wouldn't fold an Ace or a pair mainly because I'd assume that you were going to be very aggro on the button. So while 3-bet/folding with an ace would be possible, the reason I said I wouldn't was that I'd expect my opponent to be too aggressive and therefore the fold wouldn't be profitable. The reason you were favourite in those circumstances was that you picked up AQ when I had A2 and JJ when I had 22. Since they were the first hands in the first two games, I assumed that you were playing as aggressively as I'd expected them to be played so I was beating your range as I saw it. See my PM about that for a bit more detail.
I'm absolutely certain that the game can be beaten against alot of players at that level. The reason I don't think it can be beaten against an aggro player is that, because of the 5% rake, you'll need to get it in as more than a 55% favourite against them on a regular basis. That excludes coolers because those will benefit your opponent as often as they benefit you. A decent 3-betting range for an aggro player is going to be any pair, any Ace a QT+ and probably most Kings. After 3-betting they're going to find it tricky to lay most of that range down but you'll have to lay down alot of your opening hands... It will be really difficult to get it in as a significant favourite on a frequent enough basis to beat the rake, mainly because they won't give you enough hands to do that in the early levels.
I'm sure you'd need to take notes about your opponents' opening and 3-betting range in these.
Anyway, no offence was intended. I would think that variance is going to be a pain in the backside in these but I think over the long-term you can win. There have got to be enough poor/passive players to beat the rake.
I dont't wanna give too much info away about my game but here's some thoughts on what you said.
As I'm sure you are aware, knowing your opponent in HU is absolutely vital and while I haven't played against you much (and never at HU), I knew from what I've seen you post on the forum (especially on the topic of Hypers) that you were gonna start out super aggro. So the first 2 hands in them 2 games, when I had AQ and JJ... I knew you would most likely be piling on the aggression from the very start to get a head start. I usually ALWAYS min-raise in these, but because it was you I thought I'd make it 50 instead, because I was expecting you to 3bet the button alot, and that would force your 3bet to be a bit bigger, and so when I shove there would be more for me to pick up uncontested (didn't think you'd call). By the way, I'm never happy getting in 25BB in the very first hand with 22 or A2.
I am aggressive on the button and against most players will be min-raising virtually 100% of buttons, but again it comes back to knowing your player, and I obviously tighten up my raising range if I know people will 3bet alot because alot of people won't ever 3bet/fold.
I also don't entirely agree that levels 1 and 2 are the key, granted they are certainly the times in the game when you have the most 'play', but against the right players, the blinds going up is brilliant. Some players look purely at their hand and not notice the size of their stack in comparison to the blinds and so realise they should obviously be shoving/calling wider with 7BB. So many people don't realise this and will happily fold to a jam, fold to the button, fold to a jam, and so on, at 20/40 or 25/50 where doing that just 3-4 times is gonna make the stacks like 700 v 300 in your favour.
"The reason I don't think it can be beaten against an aggro player is that, because of the 5% rake, you'll need to get it in as more than a 55% favourite against them on a regular basis. That excludes coolers because those will benefit your opponent as often as they benefit you. A decent 3-betting range for an aggro player is going to be any pair, any Ace a QT+ and probably most Kings."
I know it's a small sample, but I got it in against you as 55% and 70%+ (3 times) favourite in the 4 games, and these were not coolers at all. It is not a cooler to get A2 v AQ in the first hand, you simply should not be getting A2 all in pre in the first hand.
You need to get constant 3betting out of your head, you just don't have the stacks and are gonna be called by ATC so often it's unreal. Keep it low variance. Say for example, I min-raise the button to 40, you pick up 55 and decide to 3bet to 100 (a good size), when I fold, ok you've won 40 which is a nice addition to your stack when we're only 500 deep, but if I call you're ALWAYS in trouble. Suddenly you're playing 55 OOP when the board is likely to come 3 overcards and I will ALWAYS have either 2 overcards to 55 or a bigger PP.
Again everything I say is massively opponent dependent, I will do one thing with 77 against one player and do something completely different against another player if they play differently.
As for tha A2, it's pretty well the right move to 3-bet against a wide opening range. Once I make it 150, 170, whatever I can't fold. Making it 120 would have offerred you the chance to call and play in position against me. That's not too bad, since I have the betting lead but I'd just need to shove almost any flop and hope you've missed it. That's not ideal.
I made it 170, so 330 to call to win 670? I only have to be ahead of a small portion of your range to make it right because against most of your range I'll be 2.3/1. I actually imagine you'd 4-bet with KQ, KJ, maybe KT or QJ. You may even shove with weaker hands if you perceive me as being super-aggro. So that's the right call after the 3-bet.
With the 22, it's again about the pot odds. Yeah, I can be 20/80 there, but far more often you'll have two overs. Again, with pot odds of 310/690, I can't fold. The same is true if I made it the 150 I'd have liked to.
In both cases, if the 3-bet is right, then so is the call. If you have a wide opening range, then the 3-bet must be right. You're saying you do have a wide opening range, just as you should. If you fold either one of those hands, I gain a 55/45 chip lead in one hand by making a pretty standard heads-up 3-bet. I was unlucky that you had the hands you did but that doesn't mean I misplayed the hands. The alternative is to call out of position with two hands that are ahead of your range pre-flop, but probably won't be after the flop. The fact is that against a player like me, you'd need to be aggro when you're this short or the blinds will eat you up. If we're both aggro, then hands like these two are going to happen and the cards will decide who wins.
Edited to prove I can add up. lol
In either case if he had peeled my 3-bet, not only would I have been surprised given the size of it, I would view it as extremely exploitable... I'd just shove any flop, expecting that he'll miss 2/3 of the time. If he's peeling with big hands, okay the first couple of times he'd get my stack, but that's something that's pretty easy to adapt to. So 2/3 times I'd take 30% of his stack, and of those 1/3 times that he hits, I'm allowed to hit some of the time too.
That's how I see the hands anyway. I'm sure you can understand why I think two solid players are going to struggle to beat the rake playing each other. I think you really need to have massive edges at these levels to make a profit. You might not agree but I hope my logic is clear.
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Sky Games Played: 681
Sky Profit/Loss: -£77.85
Poker Points: 2090 (£25.08)
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??? Games Player: 48
??? Profit/Loss: -$55.90
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The second laptop we ordered arrived today
This month I have played 681 games, and 5% rake (25p) that means I've paid £170.25 in rake.
Now if I played on 'another site' where the rake is 2% (10p), I would have paid £68.10
This is a discrepancy of £102.15 which means that instead of being £77.85 DOWN for the month, I would actually be £24.10 UP.
How I can ignore such a glaring difference in profits, even with my C4P @ £25, that still leaves me £75 worse off. I'm going to continue for the rest of June because I've earned a good bit of C4P and it'll only increase and increase in pence per point, the more I play. But sadly, at the end of June I may need to make a very horrible decision that I didn't really want to.
Paul
Anyway, was an ok session tonight, a small winning one at least, and at the moment I'm just trying to string together a few winning sessions. I played 18 games and won 10 of them for a £5.50 profit. Slowly reducing that big red number, and earning poker points along the way.
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Sky Games Played: 699
Sky Profit/Loss: -£72.35
Poker Points: 2144 (£25.73)
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??? Games Player: 48
??? Profit/Loss: -$55.90
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I notice we aint had any ROI challenge up dates recently. Please don't lay off the updates for fear of making me depressed lol... it'll be something nice to look back at when I dig my way out of the hole
Either that or just no-one has been playing... can we get an update.
That's just an approximate number but it's based on 10p v 25 p and assuming you maintain 700 or so games for the next two weeks and also maintain that rate for the year. It's a pretty hefty number though. Can you afford to miss out on £2.5k in a year?